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(...) I hope this was intentional understatement. If your child ends up in the hospital because of your type of punishment, your right to associate with small people should be stripped from you and you should be incarcerated in a psychiatric (...) (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, you're just a silly goofball for thinking that in ridiculous way. What's an ENFP? I believe a lot of that "thinking out loud" goes on here, but many times it's clarified as such. I know that I sometimes forget to disclaim, and I wind up (...) (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Good luck! I did a Google search for that apocryphal Caesar quote and got 1180 hits! It's a well-established pious fraud, as firmly entrenched as the Sarah Brady's "completely disarmed" false citation or Dan Quayle's "Latin America" fictional (...) (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was an ENFP every time I was tested until relatively recently. I took the test on the website and it turns out that I'm now an INFP. Can someone's personality change like that? Of course, it could be just my age showing--I'm becoming more (...) (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, it all does hinge on how you'd mean "productively." I'd claim that the defenders at Ruby Ridge defended themselves productively. But, I think that even though I think their use of arms probably increased the casualty rate. No one would (...) (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Frank Filz writes: <snip> (...) Now there it is. Frank, run for office and I'm voting for you. We seem to be reacting to things instead of being proactive! Make sure people learn how to drive properly! Maybe we should (...) (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was just talking with one of my friends (who happens to be a parent--no so with me) and he makes an astute observation-- Would this incident even be discussed if there was no 'art'? I mean, you take a kid, broken arms, cigarette burns, (...) (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not in the UK. We always have to maintain a safe stopping distance... which makes sense. As I understand it, the length of the yellow is some kind of (...) Normally the focus is on the "intergreen" period - this will be 5-7 seconds for a (...) (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Israel is a victim. It is victim of its own history. However, none of that excuses its actions or what it suffers. It is a human rights abuser pure and simple. The USA actively supports it. (...) I'm not; democracy does not exist in Kuwait. (...) (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) After a brief thought, and remembering from a class I took yesterday on the Meyers Briggs Type Indicator, I was just thinking of something that might be useful to add here about my debating style. As an ENFP, my way of working through problems (...) (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Google it. You'll be inundated with a full range from "well-reasoned and documented" to "wacky paranoid government-out-to-get-us". But it's fairly obviously an issue, and there's good information out there on it. If the cameras are "causing" (...) (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Of course the perception is fact. "Perception" as in there is the perception that Israel is the victim. You misconstrued my answer. (...) Who cares? I was merely pointing out that you were being inconsistent. Or you weren't making your real (...) (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) We have a similar issue with speed camera's in the UK: "The effect of the camera on driver behaviour can create new problems such as erratic braking and acceleration and distract drivers from the traffic flow." See: (URL) (...) Which is just (...) (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Was Nostradamus able to predict this? ;) Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hm, interesting. I have seen reports of fewer accidents, but I wonder how well you can trust them. The incentives sure are wrong, and certainly present a true risk of incorrect reaction (cutting short the yellow light time). Another interesting (...) (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I'm not sure why I continue debating here. It's hard to see all the sides of a person when the debate draws out like this. My initial reaction to this incident was based on a number of incidents in a very short time. In all likelihood I am (...) (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) See? I've always told you that you can't trust private corporations to run things! Seriously though, I'd be interested to hear more about the truncated yellows. If the cameras are "causing" accidents because people are pushing the existing (...) (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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have you realized this "Caesar" thing is a made-up quote that has been going around for many months? It's like the amusing but fake Nostradamus saying about the "village idiot." -Erik (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Don't get me started on these cameras... they're bad. It's not the rights violation claim (which is false, unless you report the car stolen because it actually was stolen, you're responsible for what people do with your property), it's the (...) (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Fact. (...) Does Kuwait really have democracy? (...) This is utter hypocrisy. (...) Worse for Afghans or the USA? (...) There may well be. Why not tighten the screws on Musharraf, the Saudi’s or Sharron? These guys rely on support from the USA (...) (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If I broke into your home and stole your stereo, but you had no other evidence than your in-home video surveillance system, wouldn't you at least want me to be questioned? (...) Okay, what if I broke into your house, stole your stereo, and was (...) (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Would guns truly have made a beneficial difference? Or would it have made the students seem like armed combatants who deserved whatever they got? I expect that it would depend on how the press chose to spin it, but at the very least it would (...) (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't agree. Why not clean up your own neighbourhood first? Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is news to me. Do you have a reference? Scott A (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There will be a UK parliamentary debate tomorrow. Blair will give MPs 3 hours to read his "dossier" on SH and then expect them to reach an opinion and debate it... crazy. Scott A (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, we up here have, as of today anyway, 5 'official' parties-- Progressive Conservative Liberal New Democratic Party Bloc Quebecuois Alliance (a la Reform) And what's going to continue to happen up here in Canada is that the Liberals are (...) (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And I am in the unique position of agreeing wholeheartedly with Chris. There was a wee bit of a ruckus in LA a while back, and a granny watching the news footage of the looting and pillaging saw her grandson doing said mischief. She reported (...) (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OK, so did you just use those two as examples of the hundreds, or is that all you've got? I'm not trying to be trite about this, but I think you could find more than two civil rights abuses in a year on any given year since you've been alive. (...) (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The Medical Students in Florida who turned out to: - not be able to be connected in any way to anything nefarious - in fact, didn't run the toll booth as originally reported The Isamic leader arrested in Portland because his luggage showed (...) (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) see also: (URL) article is about forking and revolutionary change within the open source context, but it applies to all systems... high barriers to entry imply more likeliehood of revolution rather than gradual change... and the duopoly of (...) (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Good. Chris (22 years ago, 22-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wow, wouldn't *that* be interesting? (22 years ago, 22-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But in this case the girl has no physical wounds. This suggests to me that the other woman may not have felt the girl was in any danger. It seems to me that this case goes further than just a child battery charge and giving aid to a criminal. (...) (22 years ago, 22-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Agents acting under Ashcroft, as Atty. general, are his responsibility. He's the man in charge -- he's the one that knows or is obligated to know what is going on under his command. -- Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 22-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) statute: TITLE 42, CHAPTER 21, SUBCHAPTER I, Sec. 1983. Sec. 1983. - Civil action for deprivation of rights Every person who, under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage, of any State or Territory or the District of (...) (22 years ago, 22-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, really. It's hard to imagine how they could possibly know that the sister knows anything useful. I mean, do they have video footage of her seeing her sister do things? Not likely... Also, I believe in the right to remain silent -- to (...) (22 years ago, 22-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I didn't get from the article what the specific and direct role played by Ashcroft was. Is he only guilty for setting a cavalier tone within the federal law enforcement machine, or was it something more clear cut? Chris (22 years ago, 22-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I found this interesting: (URL) see how far it gets. I expect he'll be removed from the suit, after all, can't have our government officials held personally liable for what they do, now can we? (22 years ago, 22-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Really? Do you generally think that aiding criminals should have no penalty? There may be issues surrounding this that I haven't thought through, but on first blush, it doesn't seem like a bad general policy to me. I would certainly intervene (...) (22 years ago, 22-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Like what? Am I missing a bigger trend? (...) Um...what could be more damning than video footage? What on Earth _would_ you consider reasonable evidence? I haven't heard anything inappropriate about the handling of this case from the article (...) (22 years ago, 22-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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