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Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!
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Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:44:53 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:
> > There are times when people used guns
> > against agents of the government productively.
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> Example? And could you clarify "productively"? I can't think of any in
> recent years that ended rosily for the private citizens, but maybe I'm missing
> something.
Well, it all does hinge on how you'd mean "productively." I'd claim that
the defenders at Ruby Ridge defended themselves productively. But, I think
that even though I think their use of arms probably increased the casualty
rate. No one would know of the Weavers' injust treatment if it hadn't
turned into a blood bath.
I guess the Branch Davidian massacre could be cited, but it seems less clear
cut somehow.
And I knew this guy Alex back in St. Louis who forced a cop at gunpoint, so
the story goes, to stop beating a black loiterer in what is widely assumed
to be a racially motivated incident.
As someone else (Mike P?) cited, the mere knowledge (of policy-makers) that
so many of us are armed is productive routinely. They can push us slowly,
but if they push too far too fast, we will snap and start firing. So they
only push slowly.
Chris
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| (...) *That's* an interesting point! I'm sure Ms. Weaver, his son, and his dog would consider the incident less than "productive," but as an object lesson to the rest of us, your argument has some merit. (...) Ditto in this case, too. I guess it's (...) (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
| | | Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!
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| (...) **Alert** I used 'your' many times in the following post--they are not directed at Chris at all--just wrapping up, I hope, in one complete posting a bunch of different points made in this thread. If you could read the words, "you" or "your" as (...) (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Would guns truly have made a beneficial difference? Or would it have made the students seem like armed combatants who deserved whatever they got? I expect that it would depend on how the press chose to spin it, but at the very least it would (...) (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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