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Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!
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Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:01:07 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:
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> > > There are times when people used guns
> > > against agents of the government productively.
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> > Example? And could you clarify "productively"? I can't think of any in
> > recent years that ended rosily for the private citizens, but maybe I'm missing
> > something.
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> Well, it all does hinge on how you'd mean "productively." I'd claim that
> the defenders at Ruby Ridge defended themselves productively. But, I think
> that even though I think their use of arms probably increased the casualty
> rate. No one would know of the Weavers' injust treatment if it hadn't
> turned into a blood bath.
*That's* an interesting point! I'm sure Ms. Weaver, his son, and his dog
would consider the incident less than "productive," but as an object lesson
to the rest of us, your argument has some merit.
> I guess the Branch Davidian massacre could be cited, but it seems less clear
> cut somehow.
Ditto in this case, too. I guess it's important to keep straight the
concepts of "personally productive" and "globally productive." It might not
be too rewarding for the dead or maimed, but the message goes out nonetheless.
> And I knew this guy Alex back in St. Louis who forced a cop at gunpoint, so
> the story goes, to stop beating a black loiterer in what is widely assumed
> to be a racially motivated incident.
I'd like to read about that one. Hard to defend the cop's actions, of
course, but without more info it's little more than an anecdote. And there's
an immediate opposite side of the coin, such as "I knew of a guy who held
the cops at bay with an assault rifle so his friend could rape a woman."
What happened to Alex?
> As someone else (Mike P?) cited, the mere knowledge (of policy-makers) that
> so many of us are armed is productive routinely. They can push us slowly,
> but if they push too far too fast, we will snap and start firing. So they
> only push slowly.
The "frog in the pan" analogy. Very true.
Dave!
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| (...) Right. But even to Mr. Weaver, the situation might be preferable to spending 15 years in a federal prison with no one knowing about it. I don't know him. (...) In response to the cop and gun thing or long term? He ran away once he defused the (...) (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Well, it all does hinge on how you'd mean "productively." I'd claim that the defenders at Ruby Ridge defended themselves productively. But, I think that even though I think their use of arms probably increased the casualty rate. No one would (...) (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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