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Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:08:00 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
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> > Our republic is broken, at least to some extent, I gave you 3 examples of
> > why, out of many many many more possible ones. That's completely on topic to
> > where this thread is going.
> >
> > Also, please note:
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> > While I said I'd *prefer* to just work for change... that's just an
> > admission of weakness on my part. I'd rather "feel like" I was doing
> > something (as long as I was deluded enough to believe it, and believe
> > revolution was not necessary) than have to bother with a messy revolution,
> > even if that's precisely what is in fact needed. It is not in ANY WAY a
> > validation of your claim that working within the system is effective or
> > satisfactory.
> >
> > This thread is not helping me remain delusional, it's reminding me yet again
> > why working within the system won't work.
>
> see also:
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> http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/homesteading/homesteading/ar01s22.html#bsd
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> The article is about forking and revolutionary change within the open source
> context, but it applies to all systems... high barriers to entry imply more
> likeliehood of revolution rather than gradual change... and the duopoly of
> parties here in the US has ensured that we have high barriers to entry.
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> In one respect the Canadians are doing better. Their parties seem to be
> changing alignment, splintering and redirecting and mergine, much more than
> ours... our last new party to win a presidential election arose before 1860/
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> Scary stuff.
Yes, we up here have, as of today anyway, 5 'official' parties--
Progressive Conservative
Liberal
New Democratic Party
Bloc Quebecuois
Alliance (a la Reform)
And what's going to continue to happen up here in Canada is that the
Liberals are going to have a cakewalk whilst the Alliance and the PC's
'split' the conservative vote.
The good/bad news is that our PM, Jean, is sitting there as our PM with
(dusts off memory) 34-40 percent of the votes.
Oh well, Vive le Canada!
Dave K.
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