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(...) Just like military intelligence or whatever... There are scientists who are Christian, and they came up with a theory and they called it Scientific Creationism, in which they try to merge the Biblical stories of creatin with scientific (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) would (...) I didn't say more wouldn't run. It's just that they wouldn't *win*. (...) Displacing an incumbent is statistically difficult. They already have the advantage in a reelection attempt. Limiting $$$ hurts the challengers. And BTW, (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I thought it was somewhere in the UK. (...) Our wisdom teeth are primarily for mashing grains and tough fiberous roots. (...) Chaos accounts for the existence of cells of spontaneous order in a chaotic system. If you add heat to a pan of water (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Curt Tigges writes: First of all, "Scientific Creationism" is an oxymoron, so let's dispense with that term and stick with Creationism. (...) Actually, it's a *theory,* just as the theory of gravitation, the theory of (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) We have the law of gravity, which has yet to be disproven--when I let go of a hammer it will fall. We see that today. We can test that today. How do we prove 'evolution', which happened millions and/or billions of yeara ago? There have been (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Congratulations, John. In your responses below you have proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that you cannot read anything over 1-2 sentences long and comprehend it. That, or that you simply refuse to comprehend it (which you proved with your last (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It may not be freedom in *your* mind, John, but it is in mine. Freedom to run for office whether you have friends with millions in the bank or not. (...) Explain to me how no new people would run for office if the most they'd spend would be (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't think that most Christians (including me) believe that the Earth and Solar Sytem was created in 6 days (rotations of the Earth). Since there was no Earth to set the time, that wouldn't even make sense. I think that most (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Starting a new thread as the current monster one is rather a bad place to hang this.... In lugnet.off-topic.debate, (...) Not exactly wrong but not quite right either. As another poster explained, the authority is probably defacto rather than dejure (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes. (...) But actually, I was trying to indicate a specific thing when I wrote "strict creationism." I meant the belief that you describe above as dumb. The notion that God set up a bunch of physical laws several billion years ago, knowing (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would (regrettably...) dispute that these traits are confined to (modern) liberals. In my own county you need look no further than the local GOP machine to find them, although the loyal Democratic opposition has them as well. Perhaps not as (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Then let's restate it this way: Of the explanations currently on the table for how we arrived where we are today, evolution provides more complete, explanatory answers and makes more accurate, testable predictions than Creationism, and (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here in the US, we limit your hunting quota, your speed of travel, you ability to shout "fire," the percentage of your income that you get to keep, your ability to discriminate based on skin tone, and a million other things. So I guess we (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes: [snip] (...) Wow! Do you really think this?: (...) What is the value of just getting together and patting one another on the back for being American? Chris (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Little judgmental this morning, are we? To follow something blindly -- uneducated and (...) What's ignorant here is your elitism and your hatred. I thought lefties were supposed to be the tolerant ones... -- is really to favor a kind of (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You said it. You "limit" the budgets. That's *not* freedom. The average winning candidate spends about $40,000.00. Think (...) So the liberal, career-politician incumbants can remain in power. No thanks. (...) One big reason is because they (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Only because I am finishing my breakfast and only because it is the day it is... I do have a problem with patriotism. It is the same problem I have with most "religious" people and their seemingly mad fervor for whatever thing they happen to (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Your right. Although the original name is french (Valenduc) the spelling was changed when some Hugenots moved to Holland a few centuries ago. My better half is from Limerick though, so we'd like our kids to be bilingual, hence the international (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was careful not to mention the "poor". My comments focus on those just above the safety net and also do not include any “churn”. Scott A (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Gosh, that's great! I thought I was starting to sound like you. ;) Scott A (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes: <snip> (...) Well, this statement kinda shows where you stand on the matter. Saying that Creationism *isn't* reality endorses that something else is. Unless you're an avid reader of Hitch (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) SC (...) positions (...) I go back and forth on what I think the base requirements for a school to use vouchers should be. I'm opposed to schools teaching e.g. strict creationism instead of reality, but I'm not sure I'd even support (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) millions? This common stance ignores the fact that our poor often (at least) obtain medical care when it is needed. When I was a child, our family was poor. I was, however, vacinated at county clinics, had my tonsils removed when I was three, (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) because (...) Native Americans hunted some things to extinction in some places. Sustainability in the big picture can only be measured over long time periods which includes the ability to adapt. But by and large, I agree. OTOH, I personally (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes: <snip> (...) Oh My Goodness!!! I'm sounding like Scott!! AAAAAUUU...UUUGGGGGG...H!!!...!!! That's it--I bow out of this debate! ;) Dave (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The past two UK general elections have produced MPs who got to power with virtually no funding. That is freedom. In the UK we limit MP’s political advertising budgets to allow open access to power. The average winning candidate spends about (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes: <snip> (...) Oh I'm so glad that I'm Canadian with our health care system. Yes there are those union bosses who say otherwise, and people can line up a whole bunch of people whining about the woes of (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) People can't have it both ways--they want the vouchers 'cause then they can send their kid to whatever school they think is best for their kid and at the same time say "oh you can't send *your* voucher (and therefore your kid) to *that* school (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But then you are simply restricting freedoms. Pretty soon we'd end up like the UK>;-) (...) That you mentioned race-- what would that necessarily have to do with anything? (...) Damn right. People *need* to start *really* being colorblind, and (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd have to remember where I saw it, but something like 70% of all violent crimes are committed by repeat offenders. And what counts as a crime when compiling those (...) I don't think I ever asserted that. (...) *They* are a necessary evil to (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Many were upset that those vouchers were used to attend religious schools, allegedly at the state's expense. -John (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Indeed, but it is important to iron out any imperfections. You constitution allows political power to be bought and sold. Millionaires can buy elections. Third parties can run negative campaigns against candidates (eg NRA). Your embassies are (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Their lifestyle was sustainable - your one is not. Right now the world is paying the price the "material culture" you (collectively) enjoy/conform to. The ugly inefficiency of your subsidised steel "industry" is an example of this. The EU is (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) in (...) No, I don't. What is it? And what counts as a crime when compiling those numbers? And why is it that you think crimes that take place in prison are less important? I think the overall effect on the economy of fixing those who can be (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You paint with too broad a brush, my good man. This atheist believes that school vouchers are the best thing since sliced bread. Seriously, I don't see vouchers as a religious issue at all. It's an educational freedom issue. And I want more! (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Do you know the percentage of crimes committed which are perpetrated by repeat offenders? If we just keep them in jail the first time, crime would plummet. -John (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, you are correct. I think we are victims of our own success-- freedom has a price which one must be willing to pay; freedom without responsibility is anarchy and not freedom at all. (...) Can you say "pledge ruling"? I'm not sure that (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd think that effective occupation is really the deal. For us to have claimed the moon in 69 would have lead to strife because our claim would not have been honored. We couldn't deploy enough force to the moon to keep others off, so what (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Umm...do you know what it costs to incarcerate people. I don't have numbers in front of me, but I can only imagine that it would be cheaper for the US taxpayer to help them than to jail them. Chris (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Indeed. Canada chose to fight for the freedom of others. It chose to declare war in 1939 - not neutrality. Scott A (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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