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Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
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Thu, 4 Jul 2002 13:24:42 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
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> When push comes to shove, people get medical attention. They may not get a
> kidney, but neither may you in your socialistic system.
Oh I'm so glad that I'm Canadian with our health care system. Yes there are
those union bosses who say otherwise, and people can line up a whole bunch
of people whining about the woes of what goes on in our hospitals, but I can
also line up a whole bunch of folks who have nothing but great things to say
about it, and the idea that I can walk into any clinic with no money in my
pocket and/or insurance to get a deep cut stiched at 2 a.m., or whatever--if
I feel my appendix kick, I don't have to worry about whether or nit I have
the money to get it looked at. Anyway, I spouted about this earlier. If
universal medical care for every citizen funded by taxes makes Canada a
socialist nation, I don't mind being socialist at all in this regard. The
only thing preventing me from getting a kidney when needed in Canada is if
there is not one available--has nothing to do with the amount of
money/insurance I have.
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> That is pretty hard to quantify-- way, way too subjective. Put it this way-- I
> don't watch TV. That alienates me from much of Americana alone!
Besides West Wing there is only fluff on television--imho the viewing
airwaves ain't worth the electricity to show them on the CRT.
> >
> > > However short that is, we do have quite a rich history already.
> >
> > >
> > > I find it interesting that when immigrants come here, they *expect* to be able
> > > to preserve their *former* cultural selves, even their language. This is quite
> > > a different attitude than, say, 100 years ago. It tends to divide us rather
> > > than bring us together. I am not a fan of "diversity" for its own sake--
> > > ironically, find it smacks of racism.
> >
> > Can forcing your culture on them not also be considered racism?
>
> Who said anything about force? I'm just saying that 100 years ago people
> couldn't try to fit in fast enough. Today it's the opposite.
That is one of the biggest differences b/w Canada and the US. We have
'Multiculturalism', the US has 'Melting Pot'--they expect folks in the
country to conform to the norm and if they don't, they are treated sometimes
as second class citizens--like a puppy 'Do what we want you to and we'll be
nice to you, don't conform and you're a bad dog!'
> > >
> > > > > We have just as many problems as
> > > > > anyone else.
> > > >
> > > > So life is not all that ?great? after all?
> > >
> > > Yes and no. Our greatest danger comes in times of prosperity. When things get
> > > really tough, that is when Americans band together best.
> >
> > I think the past few months of ?danger? has shown the USA at its worst. The
> > ?banding together? has compromised both your rights and the rights of those
> > who are not part of your happy club. Understand that much John.
>
> Understand this. Being threatened by nuclear terror is no happy club. What
> will you say when this occurs? Nobody seems to grasp the gravity of the
> situation here. These Islamic fundamental whackos would do it in a heartbeat,
> and all in the name of Allah.
And the US will commit atrocities all in the name of 'freedom'--It all
depends on what and/or who you worship.
Oh the rest of the world grasps the situation just fine, thank you very
much--who let the evil genie out of the bottle? Who funded these oil rich
countries for many years with one hand, and condemned their actions against
neighbouring countries with the other? The world is a complex place in
which to live and the US foreign policy has been haphazard and simplistic
thru it all--if you have oil you're our bestest buddy and we'll give you
lotsa money as long as we get that oil but we also slap your hands when we
see you do something against us.
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> This is war, Scott. And we all know what the first casualty of war is. It is
> inevitable, especially in such a free society as ours. But we (all) will
> overcome this adversity and be better for it.
>
> -John
I hope and pray that we can overcome this adversity, but it will take honest
to goodness truth and understanding of the complex situation, not the status
quo--'America's might makes America right'
Dave
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