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Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
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Fri, 5 Jul 2002 17:19:38 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Thomas Stangl writes:
> John wrote:
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> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
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> It may not be freedom in *your* mind, John, but it is in mine. Freedom to run for
> office whether you have friends with millions in the bank or not.
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> > The average winning candidate spends about $40,000.00. Think
> > > about how that would change your system of government. Bored businessmen
> > > can?t buy themselves a seat in our parliament by spawning the TV with
> > > vacuous advertisements.
> >
> > So the liberal, career-politician incumbants can remain in power. No thanks.
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> Explain to me how no new people would run for office if the most they'd spend • would
> be $100K. TONS of people could raise that much, but tens of millions?
I didn't say more wouldn't run. It's just that they wouldn't *win*.
> PLEASE. Limiting moneys spent on political campaigns would INCREASE the chance of
> knocking incumbents out of office.
Displacing an incumbent is statistically difficult. They already have the
advantage in a reelection attempt. Limiting $$$ hurts the challengers.
And BTW, whether you need to raise $1 or $1 mil, you have become beholden to
somebody and their agenda.
All office is is a money-generating scheme for
> the next election for most career politicians.
Now if you had $$$ limits AND term limits, then I would go for it. That would
be fairer. Dems hate term limits, because they see politics as a *career*--
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> > > People need to ask why these inequalities exist.
> >
> > One big reason is because they are *perpetuated* by shameless pandering from
> > the left. Victims need social champions. Funny thing is, nothing seems to
> > change for them. Sure, they get a bone now and then, but that's about it.
> > When will the working class realize that they are merely being used by the left
> > to justify and perpetuate their (liberals) pathetic existence. There is
> > nothing sorrier than a career politician.
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> Oh GIVE ME A BREAK. Career politicians are from the left AND right. You make it
> sound like every career politician is a liberal. What a joke.
Without knowing, I'd be willing to bet that the number of 20+ year politicians
are at least 5-1 Democratic.
Generally, here is how it goes:
Go to law school, run as Democrat, fight for endless causes (eg, unions), climb
the political ladder, or
Go into business, get tired of policy, run for office, implement desired
changes, get out.
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> We obviously know your leanings, John. Listen to Rush much?
Actually not at all.
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> That's too bad - French isn't exactly a major world language these days ;-)
Thank God for that;-)
But we figured that knowing French would at least make it easier for them to
learn the other romantic languages.
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> > > Take a look at what your country is willing to do in the name of freedom.
> > > The biggest risk to you and me is your country's foreign policy. Understand
> > > that much John.
> >
> > I can't because I don't know what you are talking about. Is it because we have
> > the nerve to support those whom they hate? Is it because we give them billions
> > of $$$ for their oil? You will need to explain that one.
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> It's pretty simple, John. Too often we JUST throw money at a problem, and • ignore any
> backlash or consequences. We seem to have a problem understanding why money just
> isn't the right response in many cases (in many it IS, but then we have to • spend the
> money the RIGHT ways). And we often back the wrong side, simply because it is • to our
> advantage at the time.
For example?
Yeah, sometimes we back the wrong horse, but hindsight is 20-20.
Foreign policy is dicey stuff. It is most often a lose-lose situation at best,
because you can't please everyone all the time, and I refer to the context of
within *one* country.
-John
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