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(...) Hmmm...I think these are all very closely related ideas. Yes, debate has a specific meaning -- but classically, formal arguments are comprised of appeals to ethos, pathos, and logos. To use non-greek terms, a formal argument appeals to one's (...) (23 years ago, 7-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, do NOT do that! My post was to try to clear up some confusion on my part (and perhaps others) on where you are coming from, and build a new basis for constructive dialog. If you take away from that the idea that I'm thinking you should not (...) (23 years ago, 7-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The charter of the group reads as follows: "lugnet.off-topic.debate– Off-topic (non-LEGO®) discussions: debates, controversies, etc." Although it's called .debate, I had always thought that there was room for open personal discussions within (...) (23 years ago, 7-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Allan Bedford writes: <snip> I'm starting to realise something... Maybe should have realised it sooner. Perhaps we need a disclaimer from you. (or you from us) If I get the sense of what I snipped away, what you do when (...) (23 years ago, 7-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I guess if loose can mean _very_ loose then it's still OK. You were suggesting a difference in status between conversation and hobby-research but to me they're the same thing. I talk about the things I'm thinking about. That's research of a (...) (23 years ago, 7-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry, I guess I didn't realize that the phrase wasn't meant to be taken at face value. From the way I read it here, you were gathering commentary and opinions in some loose research project. The same way that 'hobby farming' actually (...) (23 years ago, 7-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) We were. That's all. I'm not categorizing your responses and writing papers. It's just a hobby of mine to explore what people think about education. I used the phrase "hobby-research" a single time in a throwaway comment. Such a comment does (...) (23 years ago, 7-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think the point I was trying to make to Christopher was that I didn't realize the debate had turned into a research project. I just thought we were talking about the importance of reading. As it was, I wasn't exactly sure what he was driving (...) (23 years ago, 7-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You said something to that effect a couple of days ago. It's funny -- I consider myself a complete amature when it comes to statistics. I'm comfy applying and analyzing stats to social-science kind of situations and I can use SAS, SPSS, or (...) (23 years ago, 7-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That was more of a hyperbole, really, and sort of a nod to your superior grasp of statistics. Anyway, I'm sure most of our disagreements are merely online--I think in the real world our views would be much more compatible. (...) See? That's my (...) (23 years ago, 7-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) See ya, you'll be missed. (...) I think that good stuff happens here amid the bad. I think that debate happens. I have changed my mind more than once due to discussion on this newsgroup. I place such a premium value on having that happen that (...) (23 years ago, 6-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I like the direction of Bush's statements. Bush's has earlier expressed an attitude of understandment towards the Israeli military actions, which appears to have gone by now. Bush's statements may be a result of his need for continued Arab (...) (23 years ago, 6-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The situation is indeed very complicated. So I don't understand why you present views which are, in my opinion, very simplified and black-and-white. Fredrik (23 years ago, 6-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Gosh. 95%? I didn't know it was so high. It seems like the only way you could really disagree with me that much was to have incredibly middle of the road views. I mostly radical stances but in all "directions." Is that how you would (...) (23 years ago, 6-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Until this thread came up, your own postings here were pretty scant. It was quite wonderful. "Thanks for making this a better place! ;)" Chris (23 years ago, 6-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I think that every single assertion in this note is incorrect. I'm not sure that I've ever seen that happen before. Oh, no...I was wrong. The first two sentences are reasonable. Chris (...) (23 years ago, 6-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I do hope that you'll choose to clarify this. Not only because I'd be interested to hear what was "scary" about Richard's note but also because I think that to whatever extent you occupy an administrative role, throwaway comments like this (...) (23 years ago, 6-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It is, isn't it? And to think Savimbi might have gained credits for establishing peace... Too bad for him. :-/ (...) Yes and no. Yes, because obviously we are an interested party in Angolan stability or instability; But no, because peace sells (...) (23 years ago, 5-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd have to know what were the stated war aims. IMO, all statements on that issue were too vague to be comprehensible. :-/ And frankly, this conflict still does not fit my definition of "war". Maybe "intervention" is more like it. And there is (...) (23 years ago, 5-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have not read his speech in detail yet, but I must admit I was impressed with some of what he had to say. Particularly his mention of pre-1967 borders. Scott A (23 years ago, 5-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I heard the statements (1) made in the Angolan parliament last night on the BBC. I really hope that this does turn into a lasting peace. I was amazed to hear that the agreement established in 1994 is what this is all based on. It is astounding (...) (23 years ago, 5-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I shall have to change my question! You may consider it a "victory", but which of the *stated* war aims have been met? ;) Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 5-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The US took control of a route to Central Asian Oil and Gas fields that does not pass through Russia nor Iran? Particularly interesting, when we know Bush has personal interests in this sector. Pedro (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I, for one, could use some clarification here. I certainly had no intention of offending anyone of any culture or race or etc. I am for peace. I do not see myself as favoring either side in violence. If my "Romeo and Juliet" solution seemed in (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) On the seventh day of the major Israeli offensive, this message is finally given: <URL: (URL) > Let's hope this aid in bringing peace to the region. Fredrik (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The "need" for OT.Debate has often been discussed, and good points have been raised both pro and con. I suppose the bottom line is that OT squabbles will arise in most of the LUGNET discussion groups as a matter of course, so it's helpful to (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Me either. I suspect it has some relation to peoples' upbringing. As a child, you're taught what's acceptable to say, and what's not. You quickly learn what words will pass, and what words will result in getting a bar of soap inserted in your (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I value your contributions; I hope you change your mind in the very near future. I'm sure others agree with me. Scott A (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Folks, I am going to bow out of off-topic.debate. Please feel free to call me on it should I come back. This forum seems utterly useless. I don't see any real debate going on. I see people holding intractable positions and when I try and find a (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) thanks for the reminder. I was breaking my own rule here, but I'll just have to try harder. (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<snip> (...) <snip> Larry, That's correct. I (and others) cured you of your need to engage in name-calling and mudslinging in this group. It's just my view, but I think this group is better because you no longer post here in the manner you once did. (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Read again Dan: "After Israeli helicopters and tanks bombarded a security compound in Ramallah for nearly 24 hours, a government spokeswoman announced the capture of just six wanted Palestinian militants. There was no sign that the house to (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You're wasting your breath. Careful you don't fall into the same trap that I did, so many times before. (but which I think I'm mostly cured of, now... time will tell) Fail to ignore him at your peril. (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) so when you said that "to date, there have been *6* militants arrested" you meant to say "in that one attack", ah. Also, I really haven't heard of any towns "reduced to smouldering wrecks" - I guess I don't read the same sources you do. (...) (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) By building 34 settlements in the past year? (...) By firing missiles into residential areas? (...) I don't see much of this "tolerance". (...) Indeed. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The front page of The Guardian (not an infotainment channel). The online version: (URL) far, the onslaught has produced few tangible results for Israel while reducing Palestinian towns to smouldering wrecks, penning tens of thousands in their (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I wonder where you get your information from? please share... "Through late Wednesday, the IDF said it had arrested about 1,100 Palestinians in the West Bank over the last couple of days, including many "wanted Palestinians." The Israeli (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The interesting point about a Jewish "homeland", is that at the turn of the last centaury a large tract of Argentina was being considered seriously. Scott A (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The Israelis are trying to encourage the "desire for power" by isolating Arafat. Just the same as they did when they helped establish Hamas to rival the PLO in ‘88. (...) Desperation for what? More land? A western lifestyle? Shopping Malls? (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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