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(...) was (...) Thats AU$. At $7 a pack, that's about 2 packs a day each, though he was smoking more than she was. Not hard for chain smokers. Tobacco is addictive. If you become addicted it's hard to stop even when you have no (other) need for it. (...) (23 years ago, 7-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Disagree that the US "doesn't" produce raw goods? Or disagree that there isn't enough for the planet to share the US/Canada/Aus/Euro/etc standard of living? (...) Maggie's point being (I think) that the US doesn't produce enough to sustain (...) (23 years ago, 6-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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What exactly *is* the harm in legalizing narcotics? Some people will certainly abuse them, regardless of the law. Some people will also die from them. But people die from all manner of things daily, so why should narcotics be considered some (...) (23 years ago, 6-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I disagree. Every nation produces raw goods at some level. I'm more worried about large corporations, such as Mansanto in Canada, monopolizing those raw materials/goods just because they've created and patented the means to produce artificial (...) (23 years ago, 6-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Heh-- I brought that up in the other corner of the thread :) Threatening to the US? Potentially. Good(TM)? I dunno. Depends on who for, as usual :) (...) Sad but true. I'm not against them producing raw goods, but it seems that: 1. "3rd world" (...) (23 years ago, 6-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But is it in the best interest of the world as a whole for them to graduate from being a third world country? Someone has to produce raw goods. And we don't have the global resources for everyone on the planet to sustain the standard of living (...) (23 years ago, 6-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you sure about that bit? I've heard, for instance, that two glasses of red wine per week can be heart-beneficial, but that isn't the same as a correlation between alcohol consumption and benefit; there are plenty of other components in red (...) (23 years ago, 6-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ah, the good old days! No doubt toothpaste and bubblegum and baby food would soon follow suit. 8^) Dave! (23 years ago, 6-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wow! How much do cigarettes cost? Isn't that like what it would cost to have three lit simultaneously, 24 hours per day? I suspect that they had deeper problems of which smoking and arguing were merely symptoms. It is a shame to see any family (...) (23 years ago, 6-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Indirectly, yes. Just like the whole vegetarian debate. I don't directly support animals being treated brutally, but I won't stop eating meat, either. (...) I guess it would depend on your reasoning for supporting the legalization, but I don't (...) (23 years ago, 6-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Legalization was not mentioned. The commercials were simply meant as a guilt-trip. Bruce (23 years ago, 6-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Coca-Cola would return to it's original state. :-) Bruce (23 years ago, 6-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If our federal government does things that encourage terrorism (and I think it does) aren't we also supporting terrorism? I think that one of the things that we do to cause terrorism to flourish is implement policy that rewards violence. One (...) (23 years ago, 6-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OK, so if it's a CDRW, you can just write over it. But if it's a CDR you have to eat the material cost. If you intend to repurchase the CD, can you just hang on to the copy, not accessing the data -- just storing it, and then use it again once (...) (23 years ago, 6-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Maybe you're right, Chris. I just can't get past seeing a friend's family breaking up because they were always arguing about money, when they had a combined tobacco habit of about $200/w. Sure, criminalising tobacco wouldn't have helped. It's (...) (23 years ago, 6-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not really-- essentially you want a good mix of various products, not all of them physical. In order to graduate from being a 3rd world country, I expect they'd need other profitable areas... not just a single product like cocoa or cigars or (...) (23 years ago, 6-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You mean like coffee and cocoa? Well they're certainly getting my support, as I start each morning with a pot of 100% Columbian-- and I sometimes have chocolate at breakfast. (...) It seems to me any distinction made between the goods we find (...) (23 years ago, 6-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd say the truth is that legalization isn't associable. It might be more correct to say that if you support illegal drug use, you support terrorism, albeit inderectly. Whether or not its legalization would change the terrorist state isn't (...) (23 years ago, 5-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You are no longer complying with fair use if you have sold the original. You should destroy it or pass it along with the original to the new owner. Bruce (23 years ago, 5-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Probably from an absolute standpoint, you would be required to destroy it. I can't see that anyone would be upset if you gave it with the original. (23 years ago, 5-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Lately I've been lightheartedly condemning a coworker for his habit of signing CD's out of the local library, burning copies of them, and returning the originals, all without paying a cent to the copyright owner, of course. But in considering a (...) (23 years ago, 5-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I thought that Walker was charged with acting against coalition forces in Afghanistan – not involvement in the events of 11.09.01? (...) That was my understanding. (...) Given that his change of sides was so complete, I must admit it did (...) (23 years ago, 5-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I certainly agree that taxes can get outta hand and in this case, overtaxing would defeat the point of legalizing. Bruce (23 years ago, 5-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah. After I sent that, I didn't like the way I'd worded it. (...) Sure! So things in general should be set up to motivate people to do good, or not motivate them at all and let their inherent goodness rise to the surface. (...) or (...) (...) (23 years ago, 5-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Or, more accurately, above the price it would be if legal. (...) People are also motivated to be 'good' when it is highly profitable. (...) That terror may well subside. Doesn't mean it won't be replaced by other kinds of 'badness'. These guys (...) (23 years ago, 5-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not so much now, as when they were at the ~50 cdn/carton level. (I don't care, since I don't smoke) As long as it is cheaper/easier to get them legally, then most people will do so. But, I can remember seeing _lots_ of DMK packs (DuMàurier (...) (23 years ago, 5-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The UK detainees are still different from Walker. The current action in Afghanistan is a direct reaction to an attack on US soil. This Walker is alleged to have treasoned against the US, the UK detainees are just non Afghans, just like the (...) (23 years ago, 5-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My gut feel is that for a while the violence would continue as those currently in positions of power because of the current system attempted to maintain those positions. Eventually they would be unable to maintain their positions. (...) My (...) (23 years ago, 5-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Don't forget, you can't tax it TOO high or it won't work... people will bootleg it. I hear cigs in Canada are getting to that point, people smuggle them in. (23 years ago, 5-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, they certainly want to be freemen, one of the 22 enumerated statuses of persons in the U.S. Constitution, and that is a worthy goal. But... Patriots, as both you and the govt. call them, are probably a very misunderstood group. Many of (...) (23 years ago, 5-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hah, hah. (23 years ago, 5-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Dunno, but I'm optimistic they'll win in the end - by a field goal in the dying seconds! ROSCO (23 years ago, 4-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What *are* the present security measures? Are they that intrusive? And isn't it the best way to prevent weapons/bombs in planes to "kill" the will to bring 'em? By hitting *the source*? If nobody wants to take a bomb to the plane, nobody will. (...) (23 years ago, 4-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I've been reading a lot about supposed infringements on civil liberties lately. It doesn't require a significant search to find a site highlighting an "infringement" that most citizens are ignorant of. I find much of the subject matter to be over my (...) (23 years ago, 4-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not really. It would be disturbing if this were standard procedure in peace time (let's not forget "W" declared war against unknown targets). Or if it kept occurring forever, under the excuse "The war is long, and the end is unforseeble (...) (23 years ago, 4-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I guess I'm not quite so optimistic. The fact The People have allowed tanks at a public event at all is disturbing. Of course, there have probably been situations like this before, but these security measures seem to occur more (...) (23 years ago, 4-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It was claimed that they were "happy" - which I thought odd. (...) Concerned, but non-troubling making is how I’d describe it: Straw to quiz US on UK captives (URL) (...) That is irrelevant (even if true). But I do wonder how the next US POW's (...) (23 years ago, 4-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) are (...) have (...) With which part of what I think is obviously the truth do you disagree? My statement breaks down into: A) The price of coke is inflated above the consumer-market value. B) People are motivated to be 'bad' when it is highly (...) (23 years ago, 4-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oops. Fair enough. (...) Maybe--has the UK made any effort to extradite those detainees (who have, I understand, reported that conditions in the detainment center are perfectly adequate)? That's a good question, though. What's the UK's policy (...) (23 years ago, 4-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) is alleged to have (...) alleged to have been (...) Indeed. But there are UK "detainees" in Cuba too. Could these guys not have committed treason against the UK? Could they not go on trial in the UK with real charges against them? (...) One (...) (23 years ago, 4-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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