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Re: left-leaning pantywaists in Britain (Re: So are they prisoners of war or what?)
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Mon, 4 Feb 2002 17:15:51 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > It's my understanding that Walker
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> is alleged to have
Oops. Fair enough.
> > committed by the other detainees. Since Walker is a citizen, for
> > instance, he is able to commit treason against the US, but the average
> > Al-Qaida member is not similarly able. Therefore, Walker can be arrested
> > for treason and therefore tried in the US, while non-US citizens cannot be
> > so arrested. Further, as a US citizein, Walker's crime is also an offense
> > separate from that of the other detainees; the detainees engaged in war
> > against the US, while Walker engaged in treason.
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> Indeed. But there are UK "detainees" in Cuba too. Could these guys not have
> committed treason against the UK? Could they not go on trial in the UK with
> real charges against them?
Maybe--has the UK made any effort to extradite those detainees (who have,
I understand, reported that conditions in the detainment center are
perfectly adequate)? That's a good question, though. What's the UK's
policy on it?
> One does not need to be an expert on "international wartime legalese" to
> know that the conditions these *alleged* terrorists are being kept in does
> not meet the standards one would normally expect.
The conditions of their incarceration in fact greatly exceed what I "would
normally expect" to be maintained for American prisoners held by foreign
powers, so what "one would normally expect" seems mostly irrelevant to me.
In fact, the conditions in which they are being held are superior to the
conditions in which I lived during my first two years of college! What's so
awful about their conditions, exactly?
> From AI:
Out of curiosity, are there any examples of AI getting similarly
up-in-arms about the treatment of US citizens in unlawful foreign
detainment? I ask this in sincere good faith.
> Denying prisoners their internationally recognised rights -- including the
> right to a fair trial -- can constitute a war crime under the Geneva
> Conventions and other international humanitarian law.
Also in good faith: does international law set a timeframe for such a trial?
Dave!
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