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(...) Here's another oddball thought: It's likely humanity will eventually cease to exist at some time in the future, anyway, so was it worth imparting such horror on the Japanese population, just to keep humanity going a bit longer? ROSCO (23 years ago, 22-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As an aside, I don't think I actually said that. I think they're all SUSPECT but some of them may well be correct. Especially the ones that have better data collection behind them. The statistic that started this strikes me as being VERY hard (...) (23 years ago, 21-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) True, true. Which is why some people say "democracy is the worst system of government ever invented, except for all the rest", or words to that effect. Me, I think there are even LESS good unfettered democracies than there are good dictators. (23 years ago, 21-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, that's easy to say at this remove but second guessing is easy. I drew different conclusions from the same data. (...) Again, I drew totally different conclusions from the same data. (23 years ago, 21-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Put three libertarians together in a room and they won't be able to agree where to go for lunch...
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(...) But there are so few good dictators ... :wq Horst (23 years ago, 21-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I still hold that one bomb would have been enough. And maybe, since the US weren't ready to drop the bombs sooner, dropping them became unnecessary by the time it became possible. There is some indication for that, to say the least. :wq Horst (23 years ago, 21-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Pop-Up Stopper (was: Re: Photos of my MOCs)
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(...) I tried it, it seems to work well for me. Ironically, the outfit seems to be quite active in privacy issues and has some good resources for research into the topic if one is so inclined. (23 years ago, 21-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.geek, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | - The Osama Bin Ladin Song - VERY FUNNY!!!! ; )P
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**WARNING** DON'T PLAY THIS WHERE ANTI-WAR or TALIBAN SUPPORTERS CAN HEAR IT!!! You need speakers for this... ...and if you don't have them, go out and buy them! (URL) a good one!!! ; )P Darth Joules (23 years ago, 21-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | deep frying chocolate (was Re: More LP S P A M : (was Re: Scary Survey results about the US First Amendment))
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(...) How would one go about making one of these? This may be more fun than the chocolate covered tofu strips... ;) -chris (23 years ago, 20-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: On the veracity of statistics in general
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(...) Well, it seems obvious to me that if they have produced one study that is bogus, that all their work is suspect. Chris (23 years ago, 19-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Violence created by presence of guns? (was: Gotta love Oracle...)
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(...) Yes. If a large chunk (say, 50%) of the US population used handguns and rifles to overthrow the national government for the sake of instilling a better one, I'm sure that we would defeat the military. They would not posess the will to put the (...) (23 years ago, 19-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: On the veracity of statistics in general
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(...) Both may be wrong: (URL) wait a second. The UN says there are only 70 million landmines: (URL) you check the ICBL site you will see that the measure the size of the mined areas - not the amount of mines in them. Perhaps you can do better (...) (23 years ago, 19-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm. The word “impartial” does *not* come to mind. Is this the best you can do? Even if you are correct. You have produced a report which suggests that one statistic may be wrong. Your argument alleges that the UN systematically produces duff (...) (23 years ago, 19-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: What's the beef? (was Spam Spam Spam etc ) (Was *not* Spam & Chips)
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(...) I can remeber the pictures. It was bad. (...) From: (URL) is substantial recent evidence that the natural hormone 17ß-oestradiol has to be considered as a complete carcinogen, concluded the independent scientists. It exerts both tumour (...) (23 years ago, 19-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Violence created by presence of guns? (was: Gotta love Oracle...)
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(...) It was, but sight of that point was lost and unconstitutional restrictions imposed on what sorts of arms can be owned have now made it less realistic. That's the whole POINT of this debate, after all. (23 years ago, 19-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Violence created by presence of guns? (was: Gotta love Oracle...)
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(...) Not a single word of arms there. What do you read between the lines? (...) Maybe, but even with the arms you US civilians do have, do you think that is realistic? :wq Horst (23 years ago, 16-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Violence created by presence of guns? (was: Gotta love Oracle...)
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(...) Can you bring up any examples that have straight relationship to the topic? The problem with your apples is they lie so close together that if one of them is rotten it can too easily infect the others. However, that does not say that the (...) (23 years ago, 16-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You are naughty Chris. (...) I think you are almost in the black now. Did GB not hand over $400,000,000 tax dollars a couple of weeks ago? (I could be wrong) (...) I hear what you are saying. I think that if it was used fully, it would work (...) (23 years ago, 19-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have not read it yet. You said you found it yesterday. What was your basis before then? When you said (04.10.01): "I have no faith in statistics that are originated by the UN unless independently corroborated, and that's a blanket (...) (23 years ago, 19-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: What's the beef? (was Spam Spam Spam etc ) (Was *not* Spam & Chips)
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(...) That sounds pretty extreme, and like the incautious use of Thalidimide, something to be avoided. On the other hand it doesn't suggest anything about current levels of hormone injection. To tie two threads together, Flouride is a deadly poison. (...) (23 years ago, 19-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: What's the beef? (was Spam Spam Spam etc ) (Was *not* Spam & Chips)
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(...) For those who are interested: The Demise of Democracy? (URL) 1980, Europeans were horrified to discover that 2 and 3 year old children were reaching puberty. They traced the problem to growth hormones injected into animals. By the mid 1980s (...) (23 years ago, 19-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: What's the beef? (was Spam Spam Spam etc ) (Was *not* Spam & Chips)
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(...) Help is at hand for you Chris. There is a rather good vegetarian alternative. (...) Well as long as they make enough to be able to buy organic beef for there own kids, then at least a few people should be safe. Scott A (23 years ago, 19-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: On the veracity of statistics in general
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(...) They could just be multiplying by two and it would fit that critereon. (...) I'm not sure of that...we're rather busy with our own pet projects. (...) Sort of...we don't pay our dues. (...) Just for the record, I'm one of the paranoids who is (...) (23 years ago, 19-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: On the veracity of statistics in general
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(...) I did. Go to the top of the thread and *read* the article I cited. UN stats for landmines are an order of magnitude different than the numbers that a professional in the field of mine clearing (and who therefore would presumably want lots of (...) (23 years ago, 19-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "of course that cite just shows production capability" You are squirming. The "who knows" does not question the data, only Iraq's culpability. At least that is how it reads to me. (...) Can you justify why you thought this? BTW : I accept no (...) (23 years ago, 19-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: On the veracity of statistics in general
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(...) Yawn. Sling mud. Avoid the issues. I almost envy you. Were you spoiled as a child? (...) I did not say that. (...) Really? (...) I don't think you do it right either. You are often not willing to justify your opinion. Take a look at Daves (...) (23 years ago, 19-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Did I say that? (...) Did I say that? You are putting words in my mouth again! My point was that the fact that they are not just accepting raw data from the countries mentioned, but are processing the data in some way, suggests to me there is (...) (23 years ago, 19-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: "humility"
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(...) I have no real idea about that, but I have a feeling their system of government is based on the Danish system. Perhaps I'm thinking of Greenland? (...) We almost had a war with Iceland - the cod war. Yes, it was all about fish: (URL)And no one (...) (23 years ago, 19-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Put three libertarians together in a room and they won't be able to agree where to go for lunch...
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(...) Good dictators are fine - it is their inheritors I worry about. :/ Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 19-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: What's the beef? (was Spam Spam Spam etc ) (Was *not* Spam & Chips)
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(...) You could seek psychiatric help for that. (The haggis I mean.) In my strange little sense of right and wrong, no amount of goodness makes it OK, so I just don't even think about it and concentrate on plant-based nutrition. (...) Sure, but (...) (23 years ago, 19-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Liberterian comes through for the Bill of Rights (was a slur
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(...) Go to Iceland. They have that there. According to _Maxim_ (not the worlds most reliable source) anyway. (...) Implied right to privacy makes it unconstitutional for government to require it, I think. (anyway it's required to make the example (...) (23 years ago, 19-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: On the veracity of statistics in general
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(...) Well, it doesn't discuss _at all_ the method of collection. Without knowing how data were collected, you can't really judge the rigor. I was just guessing because I don't think the UN has the cash to really do that study right. Other UN (...) (23 years ago, 19-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Put three libertarians together in a room and they won't be able to agree where to go for lunch...
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(...) It is if they're usurping the power instilled by _The People_ in a system to prevent _some people_ from doing wrong. Democracies unfettered by just controls are worse than good dictators. Chris (23 years ago, 19-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Merits of Iceland (was Re: "humility"
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(...) *And* they have some majorly kickin' 4 wheel drives. One of the carmags I read on airplanes had a "one lap around X" article which they do as a regular feature, and the X in this case was Iceland. They hooked up with an outfit called Artic (...) (23 years ago, 19-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | Re: Liberterian comes through for the Bill of Rights (was a slur
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(...) Why don't you people trim anything? (...) I didn't see this original note...that's not a bad idea actually! I think we need more nudity. :-) (...) Did you read _Diamond Age_? What about the goombah with the gun in his forehead? (...) How's (...) (23 years ago, 19-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: "humility"
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(...) Iceland, if it weren't for the inability to avoid tobacco smoke, would be very near the top of my list. As I understand it, modern Iceland is a derivative of the only real-world example of Privately Produced Law. The have almost no crime. And (...) (23 years ago, 19-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: On the veracity of statistics in general
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(...) (UN Population Division, 1998)"), which are not linked to and not presented. How you see this as rigorous is not clear to me. No evidence of the veracity of those statistics is given. No discussion of them is given either. So if you think this (...) (23 years ago, 19-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: On the veracity of statistics in general
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(...) If that's what you think I am saying I must not have said it very clearly. All I am trying to say is that the more often a statistic is said, the more likely it is for members of a certain large class of people (1) to accept it as true without (...) (23 years ago, 19-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The page gives a link to an overview of changes in the "WHO World Standard Population". The depth of overview makes me think that the survey was better than "non-rigorous". But I am open to challenge on that! See it here: (URL) A (23 years ago, 19-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: What's the beef? (was Spam Spam Spam etc ) (Was *not* Spam & Chips)
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(...) I wish I had the will power to be a vegetarian. Chicken & fish are just too good. I am occasionally tempted by haggis also. (...) Indeed, there are those who claim that they cause breast cancer and may be causing girls to reach puberty (...) (23 years ago, 19-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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