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It sounds like we are functioning under the assumption that blame can only be assigned to one entity. I don't think that's so. And I think that we share the blame with Hussein. But how much? (...) It sounds like you are asserting that if Hussein (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Frank Filz" <ffilz@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:3BB9D390.345B@m...ing.com... (...) Perhaps not. But this doesn't stop folk in Ireland, and the world over, believing that the British should return land that was taken a long time ago. Nor (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) imposed. (...) I agree. And _that_ is what you should complain about. You claimed that he didn't answer. He did answer. If you think his answer is made up, or simply opinion, or based on incorrect facts, or based on an incomplete understanding (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It isn't necessary to have specific and detailed knowledge of international policy, nor of the workings of foreign governments and the dynamics of sanctions. All that is necessary is a critical examination (which Larry has given) of the (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Because one can't afford to fix every mistake one has ever made. Do you think the UK should fix all of the mistakes it made with it's colonialism? Who is going to fix the mistakes the Romans made with their colonialism (after all, some of our (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That is 100% opinion on his part. I offer facts/independent 3rd party opinion. Larry offers his opinion. I see a difference between the two. If it turns out that Larry has expert experience of this field, he should be able to substantiate his (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I take your point. I think that the fact that they are "ineffective" is fundamental to understanding the situation - not an incidental fact. I should spend more time on my messages. (...) Why not fix the mistakes 1st, before starting a new (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Scott, what do you want? You posed a quote from Albright and asked if Larry agreed with her. He answered with, as I see it, a three paragraph answer. You claimed (foolishly or disingenously?) that he didn't answer. So he reasonably assumed (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Scott, do you mean when he says "they are an ineffective remedy?" Is that the part that makes you think they are a good and proven weapon? I sometimes wonder if we're speaking the same language. I don't agree with Larry on lots of things, but (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Larry you pre-suppose the question I asked required yes/no answer. I do not concede it did. I don't like yes/no questions as the respondent does not have to justify their answer. I suspect you like them for that very reason. (...) That is perhaps (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) they (...) (4721, (...) ones). (...) Hot (...) innate. (...) The time has come, huh? House of the Dead 2? Death Crimson OX? Gee Richard, how do I know this isn't part of your plot to recruit more beings to the Dark Side? Maggie (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) If there is a causal relationship that is strong enough to be worried about, then surely it is something that an attempt at correlation would find. Since such correlation hasn't been shown, I think that we can temporarily behave like there is (...) (23 years ago, 1-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Scott, you haven't shown any such thing. You have shown that _you_ _think_ they can't be trusted. Based on the fact that some people in the past have made mistakes. Since I can demonstrate government agencies that make hideous, disasterous, (...) (23 years ago, 1-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I answered it. Not my fault if you weren't paying attention. Let's try an example. Suppose Dave! asks you, Scott Arthur, the following question: "Have you always been the complete and utterly clueless twit you are today?" and demands a "Yes" (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well can you justify your comments after reading the text I quote? Scott A (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is cazy logic. You talk like sanctions are good & proven weapon which always work. They are not. (...) I agree. (...) You mean they did not agree with your "grasp right and wrong". (...) Can you prove she was "booby trapped and falsely (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:GKKrsr.651@lugnet.com... (...) Except no one is talking about x-box'es and no one expects the state to provide x-boxes on welfare. But had Fred Bloggs Jr been hungry because of the (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip first two parts of rebuttal> (...) No, it is in fact quite important, else you leave things hanging and you leave things open to the chattering classes claiming that 911 was our fault, for example. Let's try an analogy. Suppose Fred (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Maggie -- these kids need light guns. The time has come. I recommend a Sega Dreamcast system, and these three titles: House of the Dead 2, Confidential Mission, and Death Crimson OX. For what it's worth, all three games feature female and male (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have to say that this statement continues to puzzle me. You are saying that the state of Israel has never attacked or otherwise harmed any civilians, right? Just to take recent events, you are probably aware that since the start of the (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You don't agree with this then: from: (URL) OF SANCTIONS DIRECT EFFECTS (immediate) 1. Decreased Imports Medicines Food Imports Agricultural Inputs - fertilizer, pesticides, spare parts Industrial/Commercial inputs/parts Other spare parts Fuel (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Shame on her. Shame on you for not answering the question. (...) I have never stated that I thought it was true. The fact that your govermnet agrees with though does give it some credance. (...) Really? From: (URL) both Iraq and Haiti, (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Agree with all that. (...) Don't really agree with this, however I think it's pointless debating who's at fault in such a case. Probably more important is the fact that the US let Saddam's propaganda machine continue, so there's probably a few (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is a "have you stopped beating your dog" question. Shame on you. Madeline Albright is not my nominee for best Secretary of State for the 20th century, and her answer to this question is part of the reason why. I reject that 500K children (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And I for one have got a lot out of these (and other) threads. Debate isn't about stating your opinion & defending it to the death. It's about working out what your opinion is, based on as much information as you can get from *anywhere*. (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This IS a great question, and I have trouble putting my finger on the difference too. Actually I'm not terribly familiar with many video games at all, so most of what I have heard is secondhand (and I prefer to keep it that way). My impression (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nothing (short of raising a number of kids in Skinner boxes) can *experimentally* answer this, would be my suspicion. Otherwise too many factors muddy whether it's a cause or not... (23 years ago, 1-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Don't worry--if you were a postmodernist I'd've called for your censure long ago! (...) Exactly! Dave! FUT OT.F (23 years ago, 1-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is especially interesting to me because they're part of the same intellectual "line." Plato was a student of Socrates, and Aristotle a student of Plato. They differed on that and many other points, but the idea behind both of their (...) (23 years ago, 1-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ...and from Saturday's Guardian: ==+== In 1996, Madeleine Albright, then the US secretary of state, was asked on national television what she felt about the fact that 500,000 Iraqi children had died as a result of US economic sanctions. She (...) (23 years ago, 1-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ...and you have so much opinion to contribute. I note you have started *16* threads in this group over the last two weeks or so. (...) Read the page. Follow the link to UNICEF. Find this: ==+== According to a report in 1999 by the United (...) (23 years ago, 28-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) [...] (...) All I can say, Richard, is don't count on answering this question easily. The debate is over 2,000 years old. In Plato's _Republic_, it is stated that only "wholesome" entertainment should be permitted in the ideal society. (...) (23 years ago, 30-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Let me get this straight. You think airline/port security should be set by the private sector (I have shown they can not be trusted) and regulated by lawyers (removing the responsibility from the consumer)? (...) Youch an insult! How adult. (...) (23 years ago, 1-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) One difference I see "in kind" is the "training" aspect of it. When I played cowboys and indians or whatever as a kid (actually, I think I did more "allies vs axis" WWII play than cowboys and indians), I was not being taught by my elders that (...) (23 years ago, 1-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I haven't really worked out intervention for myself yet. I think a certain amount is necessary. Obviously the way to reach a better understanding is to evaluate the intervention based on first principles. I think this is where we would find (...) (23 years ago, 1-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Many of you may be familiar with the no-win scenario Starfleet Command test called the Kobayashi Maru rescue simulation. The purpose of this test, since the simulation ends in disaster in all cases, is to ascertain the nature and character of the (...) (23 years ago, 30-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is a great question! A few days/weeks back Dan J, when asked about Hamas and Hezbollah training kids with tinfoil wrapped wooden knives to kill Israeli soldiers, responded that it was the same (or essentially the same) as American kids (...) (23 years ago, 30-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hi, Chris I am merely posting my personal experience on the subject "bike-helmets", in what I think supports your point. I have had a bike accident in my own (large) garage, and I wasn't using a helmet. But that would have been no good, since I (...) (23 years ago, 30-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hi Horst, (...) We do it all the time. I _could_ quit my job, sell my car and stay home all the time to avoid the dangers of the road. But my off-the-cuff cost/benefit analysis suggests that the potential safety gain is not worth the cost. In (...) (23 years ago, 30-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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