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(...) Dan, why don't you agree with their attacking the Israelis? If I were certain that your side of their behavior were the most accurate rendition of what's going on, I would have full support for their violence. When I go down your list of (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) resort (...) Disagree. You did basically threaten him because he was rude. (...) (not (...) Agree. Nothing you have said could be taken as even remotely threatening this time around. On the other hand, If I were an Israeli (who believed the (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry but all those american action movies in last 30 years... So many katastrophic movies... A don't know why are amricans now so suprised when so any katastrophe happened in real life in NYC. It's sad what happened but I guess that it was (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello Dan, (...) I think you should calm down a bit. I have already said that I don't see the benefit of finding out who is responsible for more terror. The truth is as simple as this: ALL of that has to stop. Period. Nothing else will ever bring (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Look who's talking, especially after some of your comments in the debate about handguns. *For those of you that don't know, Tom is referring to one incident when he insisted that he'd treat me rudely in person and my response was "come show (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Judging by your previous comments in this group, you're a hothead that would resort to physical violence. Far past comments, and very recent ones. I think David is just reading your comments for what they are, veiled threats (not so veiled in (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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You know Rick, it's stuff like this that gives the rest of the world a bad impression of Americans. Perhaps if people from other countries didn't believe that we all think as you do, we wouldn't have incidents like this occuring. Just something to (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Just why would I hit you? What, I'm some sort of bully beating on people? You don't know me so cut the crap. (...) You asked before what the connection was, it's Heigel (sp). The Zionists are from the same fundamental tree as the Nazis-- (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't often point out arrogance in others as I've very aware that I sometimes exhibit more than my own share of it. Not sure if you're pegging me as one of these sheep, although if you are I guess it doesn't bother me much, as I don't need (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No. (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Which, assuming viiolence was involved[1], I agree with. You did not, however, include the extra information in the statement I originally challenged, and *still* disagree with. You've subsequently provided three alternative staements (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Of course. I was answering certain accusations and not listing all that I see wrong in modern day Israel. surely, Mr. Gilon is not who Daniel Jasim referred to as a "terrorist (by America's very own definition)". I'm sure no one in the (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Ross Crawford continues to squirm: (...) Unless "a little bit pregnant" == "not pregnant", pacifists don't commit violent acts. Sorry. Maybe people who think pacifism is a good idea some of the time do, maybe former (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I quote *again* from your reply to Horst: "Thank *all that is worth living for* that the heroes on board that flight *weren't* pacifists." This *is not* the same as "what was done on flight 93 was *not* an act of pacifism". One is talking (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I can only agree. I think the main reason that this is happening is that both sides have so little trust in one another that they feel the only way to get something done is through violence. To explain why they resorted to violence they have (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I am pretty sure I have never mentioned this in the past. So I have no idea what you are talking about. I think you are mistaking me for someone else. And I am really not sure about the previous acquittal -- but I am willing to read a cite if (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) mark. (...) saying (...) Zulu (...) 53 (...) lying (...) guess (...) militant (...) Oh my God. That's just scary. I'm glad it's not a face to face debate, I have the distinct feeling that by now you would simply hit me. To the rational people (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Let me reword that. Strike "typically" and replace with "by definition". (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Ross Crawford writes: <snip> Ross, you're wriggling around, for no real reason I can see, except to avoid admitting the truth of my answer to Horst's question: Horst said: (...) And I answered that what was done on flight (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) the (...) So it seems our disagreement here is based on different views of violence. From www.dictionary.com (admittedly not a definitive source): vi·o·lent adj. 1. Marked by, acting with, or resulting from great force: a violent attack. 2. (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Here are my answers to Larry's questions regarding the Palestinian Authority. This was previously in an e-mail to him but he was insistant that I respond publicly: (...) I say NO for the simple fact that they regularly condemn terrorist attacks on (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello Chris, (...) Well, let me try and explain my rationale, then. I would say there is simply too much at stake on a plane in the air to just let anybody do with a gun as he pleases. What if a bullet hits the gas tanks? Don't you think it requires (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello Larry, (...) Well, that would probably hold some truth, if the baddies weren't also enabled to carry BETTER weapons by such a liberal regulation. (...) Well, so be it then ;-) (...) There is two problems with this approach, though: 1. Once (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello Dan, (...) It came to be by a UN resolution. I am not saying this was a just resolution, but was the only solution for this problem really to put Israel to war the day after it was founded? Probably not ... and they lost the war, so it wasn't (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello Chris, (...) I like this question, and I'll try and answer it for Germany, where I live. We observe international law. We do not use military violence to change the world, except in cases sanctioned by UN. That seems pretty solid to me, in (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello Chris, (...) If you need the fact that they are terrorists to validate your argument, you may decide to change NEVER instead of slowly ... Greetings Horst (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello David, (...) One, that makes us (you, me, the US, Israel, ... pick whoever you like best) the good guys? Good idea, that's what we usually do in such cases ... we create a reality distortion field. BTW, I don't see this definition makes ALL (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello Dan, (...) What if they just THINK he has info about it? If you really think this idea to the very end, I think you will prefer to live in a constitutional state. (...) ^^^^^^ "could potentially" probably would be more realistic ... Greetings (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello Chris, (...) Thanks :-) (...) No. And is Terrorism only about "innocent civilians"? No. And now it gets a bit harder for some of the guys who thought they were out ... ;-> (...) I'd say no (as above), no (missing the "unlawful" attribute; that (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello David, (...) Why is it so important who does MORE of it? You can probably argue (and kill more people) about that forever ... Greetings Horst (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I expect people to clean up their own messes. Holds for my kids, holds for litterers (I have in the past almost been punched for tossing cigarette butts back into the open windows of cars that they just came out of :-) ), holds for polluters, (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Daniel Jassim writes: <foam snipped> Suppose I stipulate for the purposes of discussion that everything you allege about Israel is true? WILL you answer my questions publicly or not? Email doesn't count unless I have your (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, it's been an ongoing thing. And with lot's of variety: assassinations, air raids, rocket attacks, helicopter attacks, cluster bombs, phosphorous bombs, napalm, etc. (...) 100% pure BS and what a way to twist information! Since you admitted (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's the big lie, my friend. Dan (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) 1) The guy says "Moderate physical pressure" the reporter writes "torture". 2) The fight against terrorism isn't "against your own people". 3) If there's good intelligence that there's a suicide bomber heading twards Tel-Aviv, and they catch (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Uh, no. At least some of us believe (or know, think, devine) that Israel is not a terrorist organization... I concure (sp) that Israel is not perfect, and has sometimes done things that were wrong. But it's a long long strech from saying that (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, that's what I meant by it seems a little funny. (...) I must grapple with the wrongs perpetrated by my own nation. My interest in Israel as a potential "terrorist organization" comes mainly from the fact that my nation has strong ties (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How long must a group of people have stopped supporting or engaging in terrorism for us to acknowledge that they are not (any longer) a terrorist organization? I'm not at all targetting Israel with this. Factions of the IRA evolved away from (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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David: You seem to be pretty selective about what you are willing to comment on. For some information that flies in the face of your assertions about modern day Israel, please see: (URL) don't know the reputation of The Times, but the article (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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