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Larry Pieniazek <lar@voyager.net> wrote in message
news:<37A31290.13E5B2AB@voyager.net>...
> Mike Poindexter wrote:
>
> > Well, that is mighty white of you.
>
> I find that statement racist and highly offensive. Just thought you
> might want to know. Certainly you're not constrained from using it, but
> it is important to realise that other people share my view as well, so
> you may want to consider that. No one has the right not to be offended,
> of course, but were I someone that wanted something as badly as you say
> you do, I'd be careful of who I offended.
As for the statement "mighty white of you," it would be offensive to anyone it
is directed at, as it usually points out poor behavior. I have never seen
anybody actually take it as a racist slur.
> > First off, I can have anything I will
> > outpay you for.
>
> Great. Looks to me like we've got an auction going, then. We haven't
> shaken any buyers loose yet, but if we out bid each other enough, we
> will.
>
> > I will match your bids Larry - across the board.
>
> I don't think you mean that. What if I offered 100 a grey window? People
> would be falling over themselves to part out metroliners, and if you
> offered 101, *I'D* part out a brand new metroliner to get that price.
> I'm not offering that, mind you, but there will come a point where one
> of us is willing to pay and the other isn't So far for most items we
> have not reached it. But Mike U is offering more than I will pay for
> grey dropcenter plates, at 15...
As for matching your bids across the board, I did. You then had to raise your
bids to outbid mine. Should I choose to do it again, I will. I would not
follow you into stupid bidding - although I don't think you would go there
either, so that is a moot point.
>
> > Second off, this is an offer to buy, not an auction, so please do not send
> > follow-ups to lugnet.auction.
>
> See above. I'd say it is an auction, we have a third bidder as well in
> Mike Ulring.
If you want to START an auction, then do so. I don't think it is proper to
take an offer to buy post and negate it with your own post and then move
responses somewhere else.
>
> > Third off, your response just seems rude and you have pissed me off.
>
> Good. That was the intent.
Larry, you are a prick. Why do you intend to piss me off? What did I do to
you? Read below and rethink what was actually said versus your memory of what
was said.
>
> There is a subtext here that you and I are aware of but others may not
> be... you sent me a mail offering me blue windows, and we exchanged a
> number of mails where I made you some very generous offers that included
> all sorts of rare and wonderful parts, but not including train windows
> of other colors.
>
> At the end of it all, after wasting a lot of my time, you said you were
> not going to trade for anything but train windows in rather a rude way.
> Smug, even... I think there was a phrase in your mails to the effect
> that if I wanted blue windows you were just about the only way to get
> them and I would have to pay whatever you asked, and if I didn't, you'd
> be posting your MOC and mocking me because you had blue windows and I
> didn't.
>
> It's rude to post private emails, so I won't prove that assertion at
> this point.
Larry, it is rude to slander somebody in public. It is also pretty nasty to
say it would be rude to post the actual emails that would vindicate me. I am
now posting all the email I sent you. I will not post your email, as that is
private. As I was the one who wrote my email, I cannot be claimed rude for
posting it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Poindexter [mailto:latha@sirius.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 1999 1:22 PM
To: larryp@novera.com
Subject: Train windows
Larry,
A while back, you had mentioned that you needed about 50 blue train windows.
I now have 16 that I am able to trade. Although it is not the 50 you wanted,
it is a HUGE step towards that goal. I also need a lot of windows in a
bizarre color - yellow. I am actually in need of 28 of them. I am currently
going over different possible color combinations for my train to determine if
I want to stay with yellow or forgo it in favor of another color. Should I go
with yellow, would you be interested in trading, or is that too much yellow to
part with?
Thanks,
Mike Poindexter
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Note here that I am asking already for train windows!
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Poindexter [mailto:latha@sirius.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 1999 5:31 PM
To: larryp@novera.com
Subject: RE: Train windows
Larry,
Sorry, but I also do not sell my train windows. I am, however, willing to
trade them. Upon consulting my wife (who makes all color related decisions on
the decorating of the Lego town) I have changed from looking for yellow to
looking for black windows. This is sort of good for me, as I already have a 5
more black than yellow.
Thanks for the info on the Chopper. I already have two, which is where I got
my yellow windows in the first place. I will probably have to buy 3 more just
for the doors.
FYI, I am building a yellow and black train with two metroliner like engines
and 4 club cars. I still need the second 4559 and am hoping it goes on sale
when the new Jr. train comes here. (Dreaming probably, but maybe just
hoping). It isn't the metro/club combo, but it is cheaper and it is
possible. Now I need to find 23 black train windows.
The ones I can never afford are the darned white train windows! Cholly Mac
just cleaned out the last Auczilla and $5 per window - no glass - was too rich
for my blood.
Thanks,
Mike
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Note here that I am again asking for train windows!
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Poindexter [mailto:latha@sirius.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 1999 6:35 PM
To: larryp@novera.com
Subject: RE: Train windows
Larry,
The problem is not getting the sunken plates, but in getting the train
windows. I actually like the 4559 after I pulled it apart and looked at the
pieces. Tiles up the wazoo! I would be interested in small classic windows,
possibly, but not as much as the train windows. Trains are #1 for me, town
#2. I am building a town for the train. The classic scale is awesome, but
must be kept separate from the minifig stuff. My collection is not as big as
yours, but of the stuff that I need and can't get easily, train windows is the
toughest. That probably explains your stance on keeping every train window
you get. I am willing to let go of mine, but I would like others in return.
With some deep pockets, almost anything can be obtained, but I have not seen
50 or so train windows go up for sale at one time. I will keep collecting the
windows and maybe when I get all 50, you might think otherwise. You wouldn't
want somebody else building your train, would you? Then they would have your
train! Aargh! Anyway, I have to take the wife out to pizza. I'll be off-
line for a while.
Thanks,
Mike
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This is where you claim:
At the end of it all, after wasting a lot of my time, you said you were
not going to trade for anything but train windows in rather a rude way.
Smug, even... I think there was a phrase in your mails to the effect
that if I wanted blue windows you were just about the only way to get
them and I would have to pay whatever you asked, and if I didn't, you'd
be posting your MOC and mocking me because you had blue windows and I
didn't.
I didn't claim I would post a MOC. Also, I was a little ticked off from
asking for train windows in the other emails and getting offered things I did
not want. Now who is wasting whose time?
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Poindexter [mailto:latha@sirius.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 9:00 PM
To: larryp@novera.com
Subject: RE: Train windows
Larry,
Not to sound indifferent, but why would I want a Maersk truck instead of 16
train windows? I will NOT trade my train windows for things other than train
windows, as they are my #1 item on my want list. If you have a problem
trading train windows for train windows, then it seems to me that you are the
one who is making the trading difficult. I work very hard to find these train
windows. I don't want to trade them for anything I can get off eBay for a
little bit of green. You want blue train windows. I will trade them with
you, but I want train windows in another color. I am currently looking for
windows in the following colors ranked by priority: Black, Gray, Blue,
Yellow, Red, White. I was willing to trade down on my priority list to help
you get closer to your 50 blue windows, but I am not going to give up items I
am currently looking for items that I don't really need that much.
What is the big deal with the Maersk truck, anyway? 5 or 6 light blue pieces
and a printed Maersk logo? I can make the entire thing in a other colors and
it would look pretty similar. I can't work around the train windows without
actually cutting off shutter clips, which I would prefer not to do.
Now yellow is indeed hard to come by, but not impossible. It is still
available in current sets. The chopper has 2. I already have 2 choppers and
plan to get 8 more within the next year. Where are you going to come up with
blue windows today?
Mike
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OH MY GOD! A Maersk truck?!?! Wow! All I ever asked for was train window
and *maybe* classic scale windows, I get offered a truck for ALL of my
windows. Now who is wasting whose time, LAR? I never asked for that set. I
didn't even mention it. I did mention other train windows several times,
though.
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That was the last email I sent you regarding the train windows trade
discussion. I did mention to you later on another deal in a PS: that I had
traded them for other train windows.
> Well, if you want train windows you're going to have to find buyers who
> want to trade with you more than they want top dollar, because I pay top
> dollar. What goes around comes around.
Larry, some people DO trade with people they like more than who pays the
most. eBay fetches the highest prices, yet people hold RTL auctions because
they like dealing with RTLers and LugNetters. Also, it seems as though you do
not pay top dollar, as Mike U is outbidding you on some items.
>
> > Either way, I will revise my offer to the
> > following:
> >
> > Train Doors with glass:
> > Black, Red, White - $3.00
> > Blue, Yellow, Gray - $4.25
> >
> > 1x4x3 Train Windows with glass:
> > White, Black, Red, - $4.00
> > Yellow - $4.50
> > Gray, Blue - $5.50
> >
> > 1x2x3 Train Windows with glass:
> > Gray, Black, Red, Yellow - $4.00
> > Blue - $5.00
> >
> > Train Glass, lg./sm. in clear/trans. lt. blue - $1.25
> >
> > Train Wagon Plates:
> > 6x28 Plates in Black $5.00 or Gray - $6.00
> > 6x24 Plates in Black - $4.00
> > 6x34(?) Sunken Wagon Plates in black - $7.00, yellow - $4.00 or Gray $10.00
>
> Well, since you raised me back, DEFINITELY an auction then and not
> eligible for market.buy-sell-trade. Ask Todd for a ruling if you're
> unsure.
I am not going to continue to bid for these. The main reason is that I would
have to deal with you (indirectly) and base my posts on what you do. I really
don't care what you do. If Todd feels I am out of line for adjusting my
prices in Buy-Sell-Trade, then he will most likely let me know. This post is
definitely out of place, but it does belong here in light of the fact that it
responds to your post so that those who read your statements can hear my side
as well.
>
> Anyone contemplating selling at these prices would be well served to
> contact me first, or start an actual auction, because there's more money
> than that out there for these than Mike's currently offering.
They would be well served to do whatever THEY want to, not what you feel they
should do.
> Important point to note: my reply to Mike P's original note probably was
> a violation of the etiquette about jumping on other people's auction
> threads, which applies to auction postings. If this is an auction
> posting, and I say it is, I apologise. If it is not an auction posting,
> as Mike claims, apology withdrawn.
>
> Discussion of this point should be in market.theory
Well, I don't subscribe to market.theory. Perhaps I should. Either way, I
feel that you were out of line to reply like that, regardless of what people
decide in market theory discussion.
>
> I'll start a new thread in market.auction for those interested in
> selling train windows and other train parts outlining what I am willing
> to pay, and sellers would be advised to check there if they want top
> dollar. I invite other buyers to followup to that thread with their
> offers. Let's see if we can actually shake some sellers loose instead of
> just fighting amongst ourselves.
Larry, I read your post there. That is a very well written and fair post. It
is too bad you didn't do it like that in the first place.
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| Insulting is an art form. One needs to choose the proper sized brush. This is an example of unintended splatter, I think. (...) If you'd said "that is mighty generous of you", it would be offensive in an acceptable way, in context... that is, you'd (...) (25 years ago, 31-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) That's all it is, I don't see how to take it any other way. Personally, it offends me, though I don't care a spit about the rest of you guys' arguments, because I don't have any train windows to sell, except maybe some red ones from 5571s, and (...) (25 years ago, 1-Aug-99, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade)
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