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Re: This makes me SICK!
Newsgroups: 
lugnet.market.theory, lugnet.market.auction
Date: 
Thu, 11 Jan 2001 00:56:47 GMT
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David Eaton wrote:

In lugnet.market.auction, Mark Hollingsworth writes:
Here's what I really wrote, and you were absolutely wrong about the ebay
rules.

Personal aside (just passing the buck, sorry Charles, if you were indeed
wrong) but I tried to be very careful in my wording because I did not
actually find the quoted rules which were supposedly in question. Instead I
said:

I have been informed that the following is forbidden:
"Offering in a listing the opportunity to purchase the item or other
merchandise outside of eBay. "

I also said:

I believe that the following auction item may be prohibited by Ebay policy

I did look briefly (for about 5 minutes) for the quotes Charles provided but
I couldn't find them as written, which is why I tried to be careful in what
I said. If they are indeed a misquote, then I apologize for spreading such.
But if they are in fact direct quotes, I still would hold that your auction
was questionable according to such a rule. Personally, if your auction is
found not to violate such a rule, then I think such a rule should be clarified.

(Please call me "Eric", not "Charles".  I gotta get that fixed...)
That quote is an exact quote.  Here's the web page and a little more context:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/community/png-list.html
<quoting>
Listing Techniques that Circumvent eBay's fee structure
Users may not use systems or techniques to circumvent eBay fees. Some examples include:

    * Offering in a listing the opportunity to purchase the item or other merchandise
      outside of eBay.
</quoting>
Note that the information auction being debated was offering the opportunity
to purchase other merchandise outside of eBay.  Doing this circumvents
fees that eBay would have charged if the item itself had been sold through
eBay.  Maybe eBay intends only to forbid listings where the auctioneer him-
or herself was actually selling the merchandise, and maybe listings offering
the opportunity to buy other merchandise from a third party are OK.
However, unless eBay clarifies their position this is all speculation.


Check out my RIS sales!  Why do you have to be mad when someone else
makes money?

It is not the making of money per se that most find reprehensible.
It is profiting from other people's ignorance rather than providing real
value that some find reprehensible.  Even as a seller, I can understand
this.  I myself feel uncomfortable when someone who doesn't know the
market far overbids something that I am selling.  If they know the
market but they bid more because they just want to have it *now*,
or because they trust me to grade it correctly and to pack it well,
then I don't feel so uncomfortable.   Then there are people who see
an information gap and exploit it without qualms; Mr. H for example.

To put this in perspective, I think Mr. H should *not* be put in the
same league as those who sell S@H items with misleading or
fraudulent descriptions like "RARE" or "HARD TO FIND".

/Eric McC/



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  Re: This makes me SICK!
 
(...) The sad thing is I instinctively wrote "Eric" first by somehow recalling the "Eric McC" signature, and then went back and deleted it when I actually looked at the posting name... Shame on me! :) (...) Ah! Ok... that makes it a bit more (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jan-01, to lugnet.market.theory, lugnet.market.auction)

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  Re: This makes me SICK!
 
(...) Personal aside (just passing the buck, sorry Charles, if you were indeed wrong) but I tried to be very careful in my wording because I did not actually find the quoted rules which were supposedly in question. Instead I said: (...) I also said: (...) (24 years ago, 10-Jan-01, to lugnet.market.auction, lugnet.market.theory)

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