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(...) But, they are different than most. Their work life and home life (assuming they are AFOLs) coincide. I guess I've been on the other side. In the last two jobs I've had, one of my employeement conditions was that I not use my work e-mail in (...) (26 years ago, 17-Mar-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.nntp)
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(...) Maybe it's just me, but it doesn't seem like that big a deal to change your e-mail address back and forth to indicate official vs personal. It's just as easy to do that as to include a disclaimer when posting personal items. But, truthfully, I (...) (26 years ago, 17-Mar-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.nntp)
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| | Re: ME TOO
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I've been skimming the posts about this issue, and maybe I'm missing the point, but it seems to me that if LEGO didn't want its people posting on lugnet, they woud take care of that at lego. Often you hear about people workgin at such-and-such and (...) (26 years ago, 17-Mar-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.nntp)
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(...) OK, so this makes what - 3 people that *understand* this? Compared to the vast majority that do not *applaud* this action, hmmm. (...) So that makes this an un-official post and should we disregard it? You have *no* official capicity here in (...) (26 years ago, 17-Mar-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.nntp)
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(...) Hmm, looks like Todd started to change his mind... Actually, if nothing else changes, I would lobby very strongly for TLC being able to make announcements in lugnet.announce.lsahs. What would be really cool is if they started posting the (...) (26 years ago, 17-Mar-01, to lugnet.admin.nntp, lugnet.lego.direct)
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| | Re: The Relationship - LEGO and its Fans (was: Re: Official vs. unofficial LEGO postings)
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I can say this - if Todd continues to make this a less and less friendly place to be (and relegating AFOLs that happen to work for TLG to Second Class Citizenship IS less friendly, not to mention asinine), if TLG does an endrun around LUGNET, I'll (...) (26 years ago, 17-Mar-01, to lugnet.admin.nntp, lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) I would not go assuming that. Just because the "vocal majority" does not like this right now does not mean that only 3 people agree with Todd. Remember one of the dynamics of Newsgroups is that people that disagree with a situation are much (...) (26 years ago, 17-Mar-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.nntp)
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(...) done to LEGO employees posting with their LEGO account, as far as I can see. I was interested in learning what "yesterday's event" was, which apparently triggered the above change. (...) So if I understand this correctly, the announcement of (...) (26 years ago, 17-Mar-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.nntp)
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(...) True. We don't know the actual number of agree/disagree/undecided. Probably never will. My gut tells me more disagree, though, at least for now. Yours may differ. (people tend to think others agree with them) But irrelevant, ultimately. It's (...) (26 years ago, 17-Mar-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.nntp)
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(...) "Yesterday" in this context is wednesday last, I think, as the filter was put in place Thursday, I think. I know for a fact that the train contest reminder was posted after the filter was put in place, based on correspondence. I speculate it (...) (26 years ago, 17-Mar-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.nntp)
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(...) Exactly. The ultimate tipping point was the Bionicle thread on Thursday, but the tipping point isn't really relevant. Rather, it was a sudden realization based on recent events (not the events themselves) that we'd totally forgotten to put (...) (26 years ago, 17-Mar-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.nntp)
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| | Re: The Relationship - LEGO and its Fans (was: Re: Official vs. unofficial LEGO postings)
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(...) Tom, 1) This doesn't relegate anyone to "second class citizenship." 2) If this had been done one year ago, at a time when Brad was the only LEGO employee posting here (and posting to .dear-lego and .lego.direct only), I guarantee you that not (...) (26 years ago, 17-Mar-01, to lugnet.admin.nntp, lugnet.lego.direct)
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| | A letter to Todd
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Todd, Let me start off by saying I respect all the work and effort you have put into creating this site, it truly is a great site, and I DO love your site! I have from the first time I came here, nothing will change that. And I know this is your (...) (26 years ago, 17-Mar-01, to lugnet.admin.nntp, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) Mark, in the future when you misquote me and completely mischaracterize what I said and meant, I would really appreciate it if you would be courteous enough to provide a link to what I actually said. For example: (URL) I said was that it is "a (...) (26 years ago, 17-Mar-01, to lugnet.admin.nntp, lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)
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| | Fw: Re: Bionicle.com has been updated!!!
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And there we go, another posting from me! You'll wonder: "That guy again??? You can rest easy, I actually didn't want to post here now, but some unfortune AFOL whose employer is sadly called "LEGO" was not able to post here in this newsgroup, (...) (26 years ago, 17-Mar-01, to lugnet.technic.bionicle, lugnet.lego.direct)
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ME TOO. The more postings from Lego employees anywhere on lugnet the better. Their signal to noise ratio is unusually good. (26 years ago, 17-Mar-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.nntp)
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| | Open Source Lego
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I'd like to extract one issue from the "LEGO and its Fans" thread. How do we, the fan community, want to interact with TLC? And in what ways can TLC, or parts of TLC, interact with the fan community? Some background, for those disinclined to throw (...) (26 years ago, 17-Mar-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.general)
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(...) You certainly don't know that the vast majority feel that way. You know that about 10 to 12 highly vocal people are complaining and about 4 or 5 generally quieter people are agreeing. (...) Now as in the moment -- not now as in going forward. (...) (26 years ago, 17-Mar-01, to lugnet.admin.nntp, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego.direct)
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| | Re: Fw: Re: Bionicle.com has been updated!!!
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(...) Well, lets see, I sailed, I dove, I rescued a VCillage, and I saw Gali kick some ass! This keeps getting better n better! (26 years ago, 17-Mar-01, to lugnet.technic.bionicle, lugnet.lego.direct)
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| | Re: Official vs. unofficial LEGO postings
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(...) I'd recommend lugnet.lego.shop.announce (or just lugnet.lego.shop - though that might invite discussion about LEGO shopping avenues. Hmm, I just had an idea. Set one or more lugnet.lego.xyz.announce groups, which only TLC can post to. Then (...) (26 years ago, 17-Mar-01, to lugnet.admin.nntp, lugnet.lego.direct)
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| | Re: Open Source Lego
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me, for one, would like better commuctaion to legos people. id suggest some things to be added to bulk, like wings, etc and add pick your own color for bulk ie: 100 clear 1x8 even if would add to price tag. one thing would be very nice, make all (...) (26 years ago, 17-Mar-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.general)
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(...) Good idea Frank. Have you seen this post? (URL) hope Todd can sort out the multiple identity crisis so there's less of this messiness. --DaveL (26 years ago, 17-Mar-01, to lugnet.admin.nntp, lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) That sounds about right to me. (...) Whoops, wait...I need to interject something: I agree with you that not everything we might hear from TLC is marketing. However, it's all part of the _marketing strategy_, including the fact that AFOLs were (...) (26 years ago, 17-Mar-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.general)
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I'm weighing in here on Frank's post because I think he's onto some good ideas. I think Todd is on to some good ideas, too, and here's why I think so. The beauty of .lego.direct is that it is a place where we *know* TLC (LD) is listening. (...) (26 years ago, 17-Mar-01, to lugnet.admin.nntp, lugnet.lego.direct)
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One time I kinda complained to TLC, I was a little concerned that when you are recieving the Mania Magazine, it is all Adverts and hardly any MOC's, what's the point of this except as a way to generate more hype and previews! That's ok with me but, (...) (26 years ago, 17-Mar-01, to lugnet.admin.nntp, lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) I can't speak for the "majority of us", but I for one do not see how you could assume that the majority of the lugnet community believes that what Todd has done is wrong. Personally, when things are agreeable to me, I speak very little of it. (...) (26 years ago, 17-Mar-01, to lugnet.admin.nntp, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego.direct)
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(coming out of the cave hearing all the nose going on Lugnet....sheesh taking a step outside smelling the roses...seeing the LEGO private jet taken off back to Bilund ) This is my second post to lugnet ever since LUGNET came online. Besides the (...) (26 years ago, 17-Mar-01, to lugnet.admin.nntp, lugnet.lego.direct)
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| | Re: A letter to Todd
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(...) <snip everything> (...) Plesae note the title of this post, if you feel one way, great - but please post it on another thread. The vast majority of your post had nothing to do with anything in my post. And it was not an open letter. There is (...) (26 years ago, 17-Mar-01, to lugnet.admin.nntp, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) I like the format of lugnet.lego.foo only for official postings, with automagic duplication into lugnet.lego.foo.d (iscussion) because I think it is more clear than anything else would be. But then you have a .lego.* group that we're al (...) (26 years ago, 18-Mar-01, to lugnet.admin.nntp, lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) The lugnet.lego.foo for official posts and lugnet.lego.foo.d for discussion format doesn't work naturally with Lugnet. The reason is how groups are coalesced in the web view. I think it is valuable that it be easy to see just the official (...) (26 years ago, 18-Mar-01, to lugnet.admin.nntp, lugnet.lego.direct)
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Some thoughts from a loyal but non-member Lugnet participant: I believe I understand where Todd is coming from here, and I think that generally, the idea makes sense. Corporate involvement DOES dilute a true fan-based newsgroup. For an extreme (...) (26 years ago, 18-Mar-01, to lugnet.admin.nntp, lugnet.lego.direct)
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how about turning the bulk listing at lego more like a brickbay store? assumeing the manufactureing machines/wharehouse storage can handle you could by things one peice or 50 peices at a time, in the color you want you could buy all the peices for (...) (26 years ago, 18-Mar-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.general)
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(...) Mark, you posted a message to a public discussion group (several actually). If it was not meant to be an open letter, then perhaps you should have sent it directly to Todd via email. I do not think it was appropriate of you to inform Henry (...) (26 years ago, 18-Mar-01, to lugnet.admin.nntp, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) I second that! And add Suzanne's name there too! :] (...) Yes Mark, they do have "some real power". I'd rather not drag this major incident up, but I feel it is relevant---some may have forgotten it, and others may have never heard about it: A (...) (26 years ago, 19-Mar-01, to lugnet.admin.nntp, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) Agreed! I know Todd has requested some input in this regard: (URL) request which I've yet to have voiced my input on (although the message has been open on my desktop since it first appeared). (...) I was going to reply to this that I don't (...) (26 years ago, 19-Mar-01, to lugnet.admin.nntp, lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) Absolutely. --Todd (26 years ago, 19-Mar-01, to lugnet.admin.nntp, lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) One quick thing I haven't mentioned in much detail yet: the way groups are coalesced currently in the web view will probably always be a default view, but there will be other views (customizable) and folders to store personal article (...) (26 years ago, 19-Mar-01, to lugnet.admin.nntp, lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) I agree that it would be a little presumptuous to dictate to TLC too much about _how_ dealings should occur (as in expecting unreasonble things to happen), but it's not presumptuous at all to dictate (or let's say specify) _where_ official (...) (26 years ago, 19-Mar-01, to lugnet.admin.nntp, lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) was a Good Thing. Particularly in light of some of the less than rosy incidents that have occurred between TLC and LUGNET in the past[1]. You are right that TLC is a company and the things they do are for business purposes, not primarily the (...) (26 years ago, 19-Mar-01, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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| | Re: A letter to Todd
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In lugnet.admin.nntp, Kyle D. Jackson writes: <snip> (...) THANK YOU! This really did explain more to me than everything else combined. Now if this had been posted 2 or three days ago, it would have been even better, lol!! But really - Thank you. (...) (26 years ago, 19-Mar-01, to lugnet.admin.nntp, lugnet.general, lugnet.lego.direct)
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