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(...) Question; is 'Delta Alert' the same as 'Def Con 1' ? (I may have misspelled 'def con') Does ~Def Con~ range from 1 to 5, and 1 being the worst? -R (23 years ago, 11-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Not really sure...seems about right... The Delta Alerts seem to be the nomenclature built on Americas newer defense plans, as created just a few years ago. Matt (23 years ago, 11-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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NEWS: Palastinian Head Representative in US, Hasan Rahman: Palastinians should not be celebrating. Why should Americans NOT believe me when I say that the Taliban had no hand in the attacks? Do not attribute actions of a few teenagers in the streets (...) (23 years ago, 11-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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To All, (...) I definately agree with Matt here, we should be concentrating on rescuing survivors, and maintaining control, things of that nature, until officials can properly investigate who did this, and take appropriate action. Scott S. -- (23 years ago, 11-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I think (and I have no internal knowledge of US armed forces) that defcon 1 is actual war, while the alert levels are just that - letting security forces know something may be up... Dan (23 years ago, 11-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Sorry Scott, that ended up reading badly, want to clarify...the words in that post are quickly typed paraphrased quotes from Hasan Rahman, head Palastinian representative in the US...not my words. However, you are 100% correct in that first we (...) (23 years ago, 11-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I doubt that a few teenagers could pull something like this off... but we do need to wait until the investigation actually tells us who did... :/ Dan (23 years ago, 11-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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NEWS: NY Stock Exchange will not open tomorrow...possibly open Thursday. Huge impact on national and international financial markets. Air Force One taking off from Nebraska. President headed back to DC. Matt (23 years ago, 11-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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NEWS: Congress should be back in session tomorrow, if cleared by security personel. Perez: Israels response...US is the only country who can save the world from this type of terrorism...doesn't matter who is responsible for US attacks right now, (...) (23 years ago, 11-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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NEWS: President Bush to address US tonight...no time yet. A search and rescue team is inside the Pentagon now. American Airlines recently fined $99,000 for poor national flight security measures, non-screened passengers, unattended luggage, etc. (...) (23 years ago, 11-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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Heard on the radio that a few planes have left O'Hare airport with rescue supplies. Regular airplanes, not military. Julie (23 years ago, 11-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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NEWS: Israel declares tomorrow as a day of mourning. Stands with the US in solidarity. Emergency contact numbers related to attacks: Airlines: Friends and family who wish to check on passengers and flights may call: American Airlines, 1-800-245-0999 (...) (23 years ago, 11-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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NEWS: Richard Shelby, US Intellegence: US was caught flat-footed... Building 7 at WTC has just collapsed due to chain reaction of airliner strikes and fires. Matt (23 years ago, 11-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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NEWS: Chronology of the day...read from the bottom up for sequence...from CNN.com: 2 p.m.: Senior FBI sources tell CNN they are working on the assumption that the four airplanes that crashed were hijacked as part of a terrorist attack. 1:48 p.m.: (...) (23 years ago, 11-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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NEWS: NY Senators Clinton and Schumer hold press conference: Schumer-Feel your pain...Pearl Harbor of the 21 century...those who did this must be brought to justice...no one can avoid terrorism, must band together to fight it...we will be united in (...) (23 years ago, 11-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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NEWS: Hundreds of police and fire fighters who ran to aid the first WTC tower attack are missing after second attack. Will take up to one week before any accurate estimate on fatalities can be made. Matt (23 years ago, 11-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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NEWS: Bush will address US at 9:00PM Eastern/6:00PM Pacific. Matt (23 years ago, 11-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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CNN has reported explosions in Kabul. Just heard on the radio. Pedro (23 years ago, 11-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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PERSONAL: Well, I've been at this for five hours now...the news is, of course, slowing down...thankfully, there have been no new attacks or further terrorist activities...I don't really know why I took the time to relay all of the days news here at (...) (23 years ago, 11-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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(...) There is a huge fire in the area of the Kabul airport, possibly a fuel dump. There seemed to be antiaircraft fire and highspeed rockets, possibly cruise missiles. Jeff (23 years ago, 11-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Matt, I think I can speak what the entire is thinking...Thank You! You've condensed all of this news into an easy to read form. Instead of looking at CNN.com, I've been coming here, a place I feel comfortable. My prayers, also, are with those (...) (23 years ago, 11-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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She called her husband from the hijacked plane. Barbara Olsen, well-known right-wing tv celibrity and debator was onboard on one of the crashed planes. Accoring to her husband, she called him twice from her cellular during the flight. - The (...) (23 years ago, 11-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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(...) There's nothing left to say I guess. I only would like you to know that I'm feeling exactly the same. (Most german people do ! Churches are full with people praying for the victims. Nothing else in TV for hours on every channel) I'm very (...) (23 years ago, 11-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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My thoughts will be with those lost in this tragic event, and for those who will yet be touched by the senseless act. I implore you not to compare this with Pearl Harbor as has been mentioned. Pearl Harbor was at the time, a key MILITARY target. (...) (23 years ago, 11-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Just a picture update: These are he buildings that have collapsed. The collapsed ones are tinted red. (URL) the record: I'm quite glad that my dire prediction didn't come true. My sense of foreboding hasn't ebbed much even with 4 hours away (...) (23 years ago, 11-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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Never before could I relate to any other bombing in America, because I didn't realize the trauma and the disgusting horrible scenes of the building, but now I do realize, I also realise the Palestinians are horrible disgusting foul people for (...) (23 years ago, 11-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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NEWS: President Bush's speech has been pushed up to 8:30PM ET from 9:00PM ET PERSONAL: Well, now that I've had a shower and some food, I'm feeling a bit better...wanted to update the time of the President's speech...to those who expressed thanks for (...) (23 years ago, 11-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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(...) the closer buildings would have sustained more damage when 1 & 2 collapsed. But it makes no difference really... ROSCO (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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(...) They just said on ABC that fire fighters have given up on the hotel building, and that it's in very bad shape. I assume they mean number 3 on the map. And earlier today it was mentioned that building number 5 was in danger of collapse. -Suz (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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That was an eerie scene on TV of tourists continuing to buy postcards of the towers. (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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(...) There is a report that it was an attack by the 'Northern Alliance', the group the Taliban are battling for control of Afghanistan. The attacks were by helicopter gunships under the control of this group. (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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(...) PERSONAL: I kinda' wish you hadn't posted this, Erik...I went to eBay and searched World Trade Center...I should have known better...I want to scream! Go there...see what I mean...(at least eBay is quashing many of the offensive/useless (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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For those who did not hear President Bush's address---- Main statement-" We make no distinction between those who perpetrated this and those who harbor them" He also put an estimated number to the casualties: his words- in the thousands. Seems to be (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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(...) thought (...) But (...) Well I'm no engineer, and from the pictures I've seen it's difficult to tell how much of 1 & 2 collapsed, but its hard to see any of the close buildings surviving - the shock waves created by the collapse would have (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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This is the part of the speech that stood out for me. While I am no war -monger, I am definately not a pascifist, and I think that this statement is going to put the world on notice that we will finaly put a face on terrorism. The biggest problem (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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(...) And maybe there'll be a few million more innocent people killed before everyone suddenly realises it hasn't made any difference. Is terrorism OK when sanctioned by GWB? You really think it will stop others retaliating? ROSCO (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't coun't an attack on terrorists as terrorism. can you really compare an attack on a terrorist training camp to an attack on civilians? You are right though, retaliating won't stop terrorism, it would just make it harder. That's a good (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) everyone (...) Why not? (...) on civilians? Yes, I can. They're all people, even if they may be somewhat mis-guided. Trouble is, Bush seems to be saying he wants to retaliate against anyone who harbours terrorists. And how do they decide who (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) everyone (...) Although I'm generally a left-wing peace supporting citizen the events of the last year here in Israel (and now the horrible unbelievable attack in NY) have convinced me that when dealing with people that have no regard for (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) -snip- (...) make (...) retaliate, (...) Interesting questions and statements Ross. Today's events are certainly very, very tragic and saddening. The long term effects of these attacks could/will be devasting. I hope the U.S. first finds out (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So what hard descisions do you think are appropriate here? Do you agree with GWB when he says we can "win the war against terrorism" [1]? ROSCO [1] Read the speech here (URL) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) When people fight wars they kill people. It's very sad, especially when you consider that most of these people don't consider themselves 'evil' but are convinced that they are right (it's possible that they were 'mis-guided' by their leaders). (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) that (...) a (...) believe (...) the (...) have (...) life (...) great (...) When (...) [1]? (...) 'winning' has a positive sound to it and I think nothing about this situation or the actions that must be taken is positive. I'm not sure what (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Ross Crawford writes: <snip> You KNOW I have lots to say about this but let's take Matt G's advice and let it sit for a few days. Whatever we have to say about it isn't going to change what the real world decides to do in (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I also support this suggestion. In other news: Larry--where are you right now? Are you camped out at the airport or did you find other accomodations? Dave! (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nod, I'm sorry I replied in the first place. There are people still alive in there! CNN just showed a video of the first plane smashing into the building. very sad. :( (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) He rented a car and drove to Indy. (URL) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm a seasoned traveler, as soon as it became clear that there was a chance that flights might start delaying, I got a rental car as a precaution via landline to our agency. 5 min after that NWA was on the PA saying that the airport was (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) PERSONAL: Just got back from Lamaze class...thank you Larry...I really don't want to see this kind of debate on LUGNET right now...how about we look into pulling together right now, instead of attempting to play pundit here in a forum where it (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Realized that many people wouldn't see this in .debate...reposting here... (...) PERSONAL: Just got back from Lamaze class...thank you Larry...I really don't want to see this kind of debate on LUGNET right now...how about we look into pulling (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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(...) PayPal's ahead way of us. They already have one. Check their main page. LFB (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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(...) NEWS: Following up this message...from FoxNews.com: EBay Bans Sale of Trade Center, Pentagon Souvenirs Tuesday, September 11, 2001 NEW YORK — Internet auction giant eBay banned the sale of any items relating to the World Trade Center or the (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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You can also give directly to the Red Cross via credit card online. Red Cross of Greater New York: (URL) Chapter (these guys have updated their web site today) (URL) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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(...) They'd better work faster. They're still going up. Losers are trying to get $800 for a $10 print and using text directly referencing the attack. The worst part is that people are actually *bidding*. They know what they're doing is disgusting (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) QUICK! Check this out before it goes away...especially check the high bidders name and the current high bid...this ROCKS! (URL) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) bid history to see the name of the bidder who killed the auction with a bid of $10,000... Matt (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) And I've seen a few others where people WITH FEEDBACK have jumped on the grenade and done "BUY IT NOW" to leave INSTANT negative feedback about how the seller is a sick individual. Somehow I don't think they'll be able to defend themselves (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.market.auction)
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NEWS: FoxNews now has handheld (but really sharp and clean) footage of the first WTC plane impact. As horrifying as the second attack, but moreso since it was the start of the whole thing. Matt (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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DEFCON (Defense Condition) ranges from 1 (at war) to 5 (at peace). It describes our military posture in terms of being at or ready for war. It does not address terrorism. I don't think DEFCON was around before the nuclear age hit us. THREATCON (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Check this guy out (especially go look at feedback he's left): (URL) I emailed him and he's a rather nice guy, just a very angry one. At least he's got the courage of his convictions. best LFB XFUT-> .debate, just in case (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.market.auction, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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How can any American, or even decent human being, cash in on the deaths of his fellow man?! I feel sick to my stomach. How can anyone conceive of selling fragments of the WTC as "memorabillia" when it's soaked with the blood of the murdered?!!!!! (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) After reading his stuff I checked on the auctions of a few of these disgusting, opportunistic profiteers. Happily, a great many of them, found under a search of "World Trade Center", appear to have been canceled or withdrawn. Dave! (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I hope eBay does something about this upright standing person's feedback, but they probably won't. After all, they must pander to the sellers (even if they are doing the right thing by canceling the auctions). Let us pray that eBay will find (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Somebody already mentioned this (maybe one of the Gerber news posts), eBay has banned all WTC and Pentagon related auctions until at least October. -Rob. (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey Jesse - thanks for the informative briefing. I was indeed wondering about the connection between delta and the 1 thru 5 DEFCON rating. -Shiri (who watched _War Games_ in history two years ago) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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Question, you guys - has there been any sort of event in Copley plaza (Boston)? My sister said she heard something about a bomb threat but I had to get off the phone, and she didn't want to scare my younger sister so I heard no more. TIA, -Shiri (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Shiri, Sorry, I've been watching, but couldn't bring myself to continue relaying, the news... NEWS: The Hyatt hotel in Copley Plaza was investigated as the probable lodgings of many of the terrorists from the planes...a tactical response team (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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Matt, (...) slowing (...) keep (...) stuck (...) Well, I was one of those stuck at work, and with the internet being spotty at best, I am very thankful for your efforts. Thanks! (...) Indeed. Scott S. -- MichLUG Member, www.michlug.org Personal (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I think Ebay should ban it for good and if they don't I'm never buying there again. I think it's just plain sick! Any person wishing to buy, sell, trade and/or somehow turn a profit from debris soaked with the blood of their countrymen is (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I haven't seen the auction in question. (...) OK, I think excessive profiteering is a bit despicable, yes. But ponder this. I would like to have a small piece of the WTC because I want a tangible reminder of this tragedy, something to spark (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think it's a day all Americans would like to forget, why keep a grim reminder? (...) It's your soul, do as you please. (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Because those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. thanks, James (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Perhaps you'd care to forget. That's the coward's way. I prefer to remember. Why do we have an Arizona memorial? (...) I always have and always will. It pleases me now to note that you didn't answer the questions. (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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