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LDraw.org Tutorials - Categorization, Storage, Indexing, etc... —Tim Courtney

I've gotten quite a few tutoraial submissions recently, and a bunch more promised. This is so cool!! Keep it up, folks! For this reason, we need to discuss how we should store the tutorials on LDraw.org. We should develop a system now with room for (...) (23 years ago, 29-Jan-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

Re: LDraw.org Tutorials - Categorization, Storage, Indexing, etc... —Jeremy H. Sproat

(...) This has probably been suggested before, but why not give each tutorial its own directory? Unless there's a very close limit to the directory depth, I'd recommend using the web server's existing namespace rather than inventing a new (and more (...) (23 years ago, 29-Jan-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

Re: LDraw.org Tutorials - Categorization, Storage, Indexing, etc... —Jimmy Figiel

(...) I think that the directory way is the correct way to manage the files. I also like the numbering idea. That might help break down beginning or advanced nature of the tutorial. It would also help make a nice clean index page. I have some (...) (23 years ago, 29-Jan-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

Re: LDraw.org Tutorials - Categorization, Storage, Indexing, etc... —Jimmy Figiel

(...) I hate to respond to my own post, but I had another thought. Is there a format that would make your life easier to post and that fits within the ldraw.org layout? Maybe putting the entire tutorial into a html table. If we can find some way to (...) (23 years ago, 29-Jan-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

Re: LDraw.org Tutorials - Categorization, Storage, Indexing, etc... —Ahui Herrera

I think you guys are missing Tim's point. Currenlty when you go to the LDraw tutorial section you have a list of tutorials. What Tim envisions is you go to the ldraw tutorial webpage and you see what? A list of categories, groups, etc... So when you (...) (23 years ago, 29-Jan-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

Re: LDraw.org Tutorials - Categorization, Storage, Indexing, etc... —Jimmy Figiel

(...) I essintialy agree. The format of the tutorials was not the point of the original post. I do like the numbering, I think that it helps not to label the groups with an encoded prefix, I would prefer LDRAW ANIMATION 101 vs. LA101. (...) I think (...) (23 years ago, 29-Jan-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

Re: LDraw.org Tutorials - Categorization, Storage, Indexing, etc... —Ahui Herrera

(...) Would this hinder the non-webbuilder/non-HTML knoweldge from submitting tutorials. I agree that we need to unburden Tim from all the .txt file tutorials but just 'reading' the ldraw site it seems that he wanted txt files so that anyone can (...) (23 years ago, 29-Jan-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

Re: LDraw.org Tutorials - Categorization, Storage, Indexing, etc... —Jimmy Figiel

(...) Absolutly correct! I was coming from the other end with the amount of work that is needed to format the pages. (...) If we could think of a way, I'ld be happy to help. I do have web page formatting and programming skills. (...) Again I agree, (...) (23 years ago, 29-Jan-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

Re: LDraw.org Tutorials - Categorization, Storage, Indexing, etc... —Tim Courtney

(...) Kinda sorta. Note, replying to this out of order. (...) You're absolutely right here. I would like as many tutorials as possible to be hosted on LDraw.org. (only limited by author consent, but I doubt that will be a problem). FTX is great for (...) (23 years ago, 29-Jan-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

Re: LDraw.org Tutorials - Categorization, Storage, Indexing, etc... —Ahui Herrera

(...) Don't forget the UldeaMediaStudio 6 (recommened)or other Video Editing software in the software requirements. Plus File Requirements: Authors may provide start files (model1-started.ldr, convertedfile.pov, etc) so the reader can follow along (...) (23 years ago, 29-Jan-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

Re: LDraw.org Tutorials - Categorization, Storage, Indexing, etc... —Jimmy Figiel

(...) How about Related Information? Jimmy 8(:O)) (23 years ago, 29-Jan-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

RE: LDraw.org Tutorials - Categorization, Storage, Indexing, etc... —Bram Lambrecht

(...) Well, you could just use regular old HTML the way it was meant to be used: <H1-6></H1-6> for headers, and <p></p> for paragraphs and then use CSS and includes to make it fit the LDraw design... Or you could add an FTX interpretter to (...) (23 years ago, 30-Jan-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

Re: LDraw.org Tutorials - Categorization, Storage, Indexing, etc... —Tim Courtney

(...) That's how the site works now, minus the <h1-6> tags. And, once a few other things get addressed - like the Download section updating, Variable-width tables on certain pages, etc, I'll address the <h1-6> issue of making headers. That will go (...) (23 years ago, 30-Jan-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

Re: LDraw.org Tutorials - Categorization, Storage, Indexing, etc... —Jimmy Figiel

(...) I think that the shorthand abbreviations are much less cryptic than the single letters. Jimmy 8(:O)) (23 years ago, 30-Jan-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

Re: LDraw.org Tutorials - Categorization, Storage, Indexing, etc... —Ryan Farrington

(...) I think that either the four-letter abbreviations or the full words would be preferable. The four-letter abbreviations are easier to figure out and learn. Just my 2¢ --Ryan (23 years ago, 31-Jan-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

Re: LDraw.org Tutorials - Categorization, Storage, Indexing, etc... —Steve Bliss

(...) Don't forget the postrequisites![1] Also known as "where do I go from here?" or "What's next?" links. :) Steve 1) Not a real word, AFAIK. (23 years ago, 31-Jan-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

Re: LDraw.org Tutorials - Categorization, Storage, Indexing, etc... —Michael Horvath

I thought it would be a good idea if the tutorials were available for download in Microsoft Help format. I slapped one up onto the web as an example. Check it out. Here's the URL: (URL) also thought that writing tutorials to fit in Microsoft Help (...) (23 years ago, 11-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

Re: LDraw.org Tutorials - Categorization, Storage, Indexing, etc... —Tim Courtney

"Michael Horvath" <mikehorvath@juno.com> wrote in message news:GrCL99.n5B@lugnet.com... (...) Interesting thought, but I would *much* rather see these formatted to Adobe PDF first if we're exporting them off of the site at all. In fact, I think PDF (...) (23 years ago, 11-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

Re: LDraw.org Tutorials - Categorization, Storage, Indexing, etc... —Michael Horvath

Yeah, but .PDF sucks. It's slow, you never know what's going to happen if you press a button. Microsoft Help would be better for Windows users. -Mike (...) (23 years ago, 11-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

Re: LDraw.org Tutorials - Categorization, Storage, Indexing, etc... —Matthew Gerber

(...) Ummm...no. (...) Hmmm...seems like someone needs to spend the 2.5 minutes learning what Acrobat Reader does. Properly created PDF files are compact, quick and infinately cross-platform...perfectly formatted and ready to print via the greatest (...) (23 years ago, 11-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

Re: LDraw.org Tutorials - Categorization, Storage, Indexing, etc... —Michael Horvath

(...) Th interface is lowsy, the browser slows down my system. (...) That sure does say a lot, doesn't it? (...) (23 years ago, 11-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

Re: LDraw.org Tutorials - Categorization, Storage, Indexing, etc... —Larry Pieniazek

(...) <sarcasm> That must be why Mercator releases all documentation as PDF first. We like our tens of thousands of pages of docs spread across dozens of manuals to be on a lousy interface that's slow. </sarcasm> Michael, it may be more fruitful to (...) (23 years ago, 11-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

Re: LDraw.org Tutorials - Categorization, Storage, Indexing, etc... —Matthew Gerber

(...) Well sure, what plug-in doesn't? You're splitting the resources of the processor to deliver content within a framework already delivering content, all while connected to the Internet! (And the interface just requires learning...it's fairly (...) (23 years ago, 11-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

Re: LDraw.org Tutorials - Categorization, Storage, Indexing, etc... —Michael Horvath

I just meant to say that Acrobat Reader isn't so speedy. Microsoft handles HTML files, natively, so it's a little bit quicker on the fly than Acrobat. Maybe there's some LINUX or Mac analogue? Then, you wouldn't have to format for three different (...) (23 years ago, 11-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

Less talking, More writing (Was Re: LDraw.org Tutorials - Categorization, Storage, Indexing, etc...) —Ahui Herrera

Now if we cold just have everyone who is writing all these 'NICE REMARKS' to each other to devote that much time to tutorials we would be done a lot quicker. At this rate, however, we are 'bricking' about stuff in the future. First lets get the (...) (23 years ago, 11-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

Re: LDraw.org Tutorials - Categorization, Storage, Indexing, etc... —Tim Courtney

"Michael Horvath" <mikehorvath@juno.com> wrote in message news:GrDA3s.3Cn@lugnet.com... (...) Acrobat isn't the fastest thing on the planet for me, when I'm downloading the files and viewing them in my browser. When I have a locally saved .PDF, its (...) (23 years ago, 11-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

Re: LDraw.org Tutorials - Categorization, Storage, Indexing, etc... —Jeremy H. Sproat

(...) Here's my ONE nit-pick about PDF I'll make before switching over to the Acrobat Cheerleader Side (tm) :-, The rasterizer makes text hard to read. It either anti-alises the text too much making it look fuzzy and giving me eyestrain headaches, (...) (23 years ago, 11-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

Re: LDraw.org Tutorials - Categorization, Storage, Indexing, etc... —Tim Courtney

"Matthew Gerber" <matthew@digitaliris.com> wrote in message news:GrD3s5.DMB@lugnet.com... (...) Cool, thanks! :-) (...) Ok. I prefer the latter, and if we can make a template system that does it quickly, more power! (...) I'll have Tues, Wed, and (...) (23 years ago, 11-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

Re: LDraw.org Tutorials - Categorization, Storage, Indexing, etc... —Dan Boger

(...) and all the non-windows uses can just forget about it? tsk tsk. :) Dan (23 years ago, 11-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

Re: LDraw.org Tutorials - Categorization, Storage, Indexing, etc... —Michael Horvath

(...) In lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, Michael Horvath wrote: (...) (23 years ago, 11-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

Re: LDraw.org Tutorials - Categorization, Storage, Indexing, etc... —Dan Boger

(...) analog for a win help file? I guess a man page, perhaps... Are you suggesting keeping all the tutorials in multiple file formats? yah, that could be done, I guess - esp if there was an easy way, to take a single file, and run it through (...) (23 years ago, 11-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

Re: LDraw.org Tutorials - Categorization, Storage, Indexing, etc... —Jeroen de Haan

(...) I agree on PDF: it is small, searchable (you can even create an index of multiple PDF-files which you can search), multi-platform, you can add links, bookmarks, wadda ye want more? Second choice would be html... Well, I'm going back to do my (...) (23 years ago, 11-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

Re: LDraw.org Tutorials - Categorization, Storage, Indexing, etc... —Michael Horvath

(...) Yeah, that's basically what I was thinking. Take Tim's tutorial page content and stick it in Microsoft Help. I don't know about other operating systems, though. SO, I wouldn't know about the types of software that would be appropriate. (23 years ago, 13-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

Re: LDraw.org Tutorials - Categorization, Storage, Indexing, etc... —Jeremy H. Sproat

Okay, responding to my own post here... AND quite late, to boot... Here's my wish list for tutorial categorization: 1. Each tutorial should get its own directory. This prevents everyone clashing namespaces and working with ungainly filenames -- and (...) (23 years ago, 9-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

Re: LDraw.org Tutorials - Categorization, Storage, Indexing, etc... —Tim Courtney

"Sproaticus" <jsproat@io.com> wrote in message news:Gr99Iy.2DF@lugnet.com... (...) Good idea! I already felt the need for it with the few tutorials up there. (...) I agree. I am going to write a guide to the LDraw.org HTML format, citing certain (...) (23 years ago, 9-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

Re: LDraw.org Tutorials - Categorization, Storage, Indexing, etc... —Steve Bliss

(...) ... (...) Giving each tutorial its own directory fits in well here, I think. Mostly for the reasons Sproat gives, but also for easy SSI-ness. Steve (23 years ago, 11-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

Re: LDraw.org Tutorials - What to include —Jeroen de Haan

Hi all, For the RNDR 101 and CONV 101 should I include some basic POV-Ray editing (colours, background, turning lights in to shadowless lights) or is that more a RNDR201 thing? And can we have a lugnet.cad.tutorial group? or is that a bit too much? (...) (23 years ago, 10-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

Re: LDraw.org Tutorials - What to include —Ahui Herrera

(...) Turning lights into shadowless lights is already beging covered. I suggest you try to focus on just the basics for 100 level tutorials. Think of the user as someone who is afriad to even touch the MOUSE. Just show him/her the basics to get a (...) (23 years ago, 10-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

LUGNET CAD Group Structure (Was: Re: LDraw.org Tutorials - What to include) —Tim Courtney

"Jeroen de Haan" <jeroendehaan@mac.com> wrote in message news:GrBy90.Eqx@lugnet.com... (...) I think we'll compartamentalize that restrict that info to the RNDR series. (...) Before thinking of that, the structure of the lugnet.cad.* heirarchy needs (...) (23 years ago, 11-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad)