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You, know, it's funny that you asked this, Ryan, because I meant to talk to Tim about it last night, but totally forgot. On the way home I was thinking about LDraw stuff when I remembered the OMR. I was getting ready to write a message to Tim, when (...) (24 years ago, 14-Feb-01, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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"Ryan Dennett" <rdennett@firehousemail.com> wrote in message news:G8rBuw.6Fz@lugnet.com... (...) Yeah kinda funny. Sheesh...I spent about an hour and a half in a car with you, and another hour and a half at a restaurant. ;-) (...) Very little, but (...) (24 years ago, 14-Feb-01, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) to (...) thinking (...) a (...) into (...) at (...) Well, I was going to model most/all of my sets for the Repository...and I have some ideas for the directory structure... Tim Courtney wrote: (...) I would say regarding organizing them for (...) (24 years ago, 15-Feb-01, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Hi CAD gang, Just poking my nose in from the inventory group next door. ML-CAD can generate a parts list from any DAT file, so the Repository could perhaps be a great source for inventories. Could I suggest that anyone making official models, (...) (24 years ago, 15-Feb-01, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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This is just a quick message to let you know that either later today or tomorrow I will be posting the information for the OMR, ie the headers, what to do about missing pieces, etc. I just need to type it up and have Tim edit to make sure everything (...) (24 years ago, 15-Feb-01, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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"Ryan Farrington" <ryanjf@ifriendly.com> wrote in message news:001401c0975c$38...dly.com... (...) Umm... Here are my thoughts. Given the standard header/hard drive storage system as posted at: (URL) say we index them by set number only. This will be (...) (24 years ago, 16-Feb-01, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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"Heather Patey" <hpatey@nfld.com> wrote in message news:G8t1yJ.1HG@lugnet.com... (...) generate (...) Hi Heather - Good idea! Yes, MLCad can put out an inventory (and I think LeoCAD can too). So, instead of looking up a set to inventory it, make a (...) (24 years ago, 16-Feb-01, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Hey, I thought someone had used filenames that start with M for an official model? Besides, it's annoying to get filenames that resemble part names... m6040.dat is so obviously a model, not a part, that there won't be confusion when it's saved on (...) (24 years ago, 16-Feb-01, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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"Erik Olson" <olsone@spamcop.net> wrote in message news:G8u2Hw.H67@lugnet.com... (...) Hmm...not a bad idea. In fact, it might be in the original standard post. I'm just too tired. Oog. -Tim (24 years ago, 16-Feb-01, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Erik, I'll be posting the OMR Standards tonight. I was going to last night, but I had forgotten to add some things. This was my original idea, but we are actually not going to be using a number format except for the .mpd file which will be (...) (24 years ago, 16-Feb-01, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Ryan: (...) Please use four-digit numbers for years. I know that we will not get in serious trouble for the first forty or so years, but... Play well, Jacob (24 years ago, 16-Feb-01, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) news:G8t1yJ.1HG@lugnet.com... (...) Sounds good to me! Inlining an MPD for this purpose is not a problem - I've managed to convert inventories from all kinds of weird formats, and was figuring on the conversion being done by hand anyway, to (...) (24 years ago, 16-Feb-01, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) as (...) to (...) drive (...) where (...) link (...) similar (...) Okay. Yeah, I forgot about the naming system in the annoucement. Cheers, --Ryan (24 years ago, 16-Feb-01, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Heather: (...) I think it would help a bit. That way you are spared the time to look for the pieces. Jacob (24 years ago, 16-Feb-01, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Jacob, Will .mpd accept more than 8 characters? I don't use it much, but I was under the impression that we had to keep that in the 8+3 format as well. Please let me know As soon as possible so I can make any necessary changes to the standards. (...) (24 years ago, 16-Feb-01, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Why *not* accept long filenames for model names? I think that the current generation of tools (LDLite, MLCad, etc.) are sufficiently good enough -- and we don't necessarily want to restrict Un*x and Mac users as well. I'm a die-hard LEdit (...) (24 years ago, 16-Feb-01, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) LDraw and LEdit can't read MPD files without first splitting them, so I see no reason to limit MPD filenames to 8.3. Long filenames will be much more readable and easier to organize, which is what we're looking for in filenames for OMR models. (...) (24 years ago, 16-Feb-01, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Ok, let me ask this then, do programs such as Ldlite, MLCad, etc accept ,mpd files and automatically split them or is there still the need to split the .mpd manually? I haven't used MLCad much basically because I've become so proficient in LEdit and (...) (24 years ago, 16-Feb-01, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Ya, I totally agree on an (optional or maybe not optional) M part -- it's incredibly is helpful for sets with the same number that also came out in the same year -- for example 1974 Star Quest, 1974 Smuggler's Hayride, and 1974 Flyer Cracker (...) (24 years ago, 17-Feb-01, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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"Todd Lehman" <lehman@javanet.com> wrote in message news:3a8dab56.648880...net.com... (...) I remember you used those examples when we were originally hashing this - in fact, they're cited in a post of mine setting the current standard back then. (...) (24 years ago, 17-Feb-01, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) My reasoning was that this would group all the files together and make them instantly recognizable in people's model folders. If the filename started with a number, it would get grouped with unofficial parts, for example. --Bram Bram Lambrecht (...) (24 years ago, 17-Feb-01, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Why not use the same naming convention as the LUGNET DB ? That way we can cross-reference easily, there could be an option to download the .dat file just like there is now a "download building instructions from brickshelf". Well, assuming Todd (...) (24 years ago, 17-Feb-01, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Ok by me --Todd (24 years ago, 19-Feb-01, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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And here's another issue. The Brickshelf has self-imposed restrictions to not have scans of instructions for sets from 1997 or later. Should the OMR have a similar restriction? --Ryan (24 years ago, 20-Feb-01, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Ryan: (...) The whole idea of the OMR is very much in a grey area copyright-wise, so I suggest that those in charge of the OMR contact LEGO, explain the situation, and ask them what they find is reasonable. Jacob PS: You could also ask your own (...) (24 years ago, 20-Feb-01, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) What would that mean for Star Wars scenes? --Todd (24 years ago, 21-Feb-01, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I see the situation this way. On set instructions, it may say (c)1999 LEGO Group. As many copyright disclaimers say something like this: No part of this publication may be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system or transmitted in any form or (...) (24 years ago, 22-Feb-01, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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[disclaimer: I am not a lawyer] (...) It's very different. Copying instructions is copying instructions. Copying .DAT files is copying text files that list parts with x,y,z coordinates and orientations. (...) A copyright 20 years old may be as valid (...) (24 years ago, 23-Feb-01, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I think the DAT file becomes a derivative work. You're just translating the original work into a new medium. It's like you've written down a scene-by-scene description of a film. If it's allowed under the Fair Play policy, then it's allowed. (...) (24 years ago, 23-Feb-01, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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[ I am still a scientist, not a lawyer ] Erik: (...) <quote src="Danish copyright law" translation="on-the-fly"> § 4. One, who translates, reworks or in another way adapts a work, including transforming it to another form of litterature or art, has (...) (24 years ago, 23-Feb-01, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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[disclaimer: I am not a lawyer.] (...) Ahh, but it's nothing at all like the original work. You're not even translating the copyrighted building instruction booklet. You use the building instruction booklet to build the model, then you disassemble (...) (24 years ago, 23-Feb-01, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Todd: (...) I think this is where our way of looking at things diverge. Assuming that somebody wrote this MPD-to-PostScript translater I asked for a few weeks ago we could get quite a bit closer to an automated transformation of a LDraw file into (...) (24 years ago, 23-Feb-01, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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[disclaimer: I am not a lawyer.] (...) Well, I think it's tempting to look at it as a transformation when it's actually reverse-engineering. (...) If an artist hand-painted extremely detailed step-by-step instructions on how to build the model -- (...) (24 years ago, 23-Feb-01, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) to (...) That's an interesting point. Here's a variation on that: If someone with a good memory watched someone else build a Lego set, he could go home and build it himself. And if he had friends with good memories, he could then show them how (...) (24 years ago, 24-Feb-01, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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