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Re: You should all read this (was Re: We need a new curator)
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lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.general
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Sun, 9 Feb 2003 13:29:54 GMT
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In lugnet.build.mecha, Tony Knaak writes:
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> Scenerio:
> Lets say a guy, I will name him Bob, Say Bob posts a brand new mech here and
> asks the group what they like about it and what they don't like about it.
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> Several hours later Bob checks the boards here and sees he has three replies
> to his post. He opens the first one and it says "Hey that's neat great job."
> Ok, he opens the next message, "Holy cow, that amazing", and the third.
> "Dude that rocks." Now Bob is a little put out. He asked a simple question
> and all he got was meaningless banter and nothing with real substance to
> better his building skills. What is Bob to think about this? He can tell
> that the masses like it, or do they? Are people just saying they like to be
> nice and to be accepted better into the group by not sticking out, not going
> against the grain, NOT SAYING WHAT THEY REALLY TRUELY THINK.
I agree. The lack of contructive criticism is a problem. Although I think
a part of the problem might be on the builder's part, as well. Some people
can't take criticism, and if they get just one criticism, (IE the colors are
off on one spot, try using brown) they just blow up and begin cursing Lugnet
and everything in it. I personally put 'don't be afraid to critisize' at
the end of my posts. I'll give an example:
http://news.lugnet.com/space/?n=20102
I got a lot of constructive critisism on the Heavy Fighter, and, about a
minute after I considered leaving Lugnet forever, I redesigned it.
http://www.ozbricks.net/kruertech/pb1.jpg
I am much happier with this, and I think I learned a lot from the critisisms.
The worst case scenerio, though, is that Bob gets no replies. And that
happens, unfortunantly, for no apparent reason, even if the MOC is great.
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> This is a plauge in our group. I feel it and I know it is happening. I
> understand that I have done it too. But from now on, I vow to say what I
> really think about the creations I see here. Granted some of you will end up
> getting pissed off at me. And you know what I say to that? GOOD!!! Why you
> ask would I want you to get upset? To push you futher, make you build
> better. If someone thinks your creation is good, then you build the same
> way, over and over again, never really changing anything but the colors you
> use and the story that goes with it. BUT if someone thinks it could use some
> work, needs some polishing, or dare I say is not that great, then you will
> either go back to the drawing board, start over and come up with something
> WAY better, or you just whine and say what do they know, I am the best, and
> hide in your stagnent brooding thoughts. (Or bring up the parts count issue,
> which IMO is total crap. If you don't have enough white to make a Gundam,
> then don't make one. Simple. Build with what you have. Mini stuff is the
> rage now, be creative. Bigger is not always better, especially if it a
> rainbow mech.)
Though I'd say that some people, if 'pushed further,' would just break and
leave Lugnet. Lets not get into examples...
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> Now I hope, I pray that this message will open some of your eyes a little. I
> think we can go past the days of "Hey that's cool" posts and actually use
> this board to relay some meaningful messages. If it looks cool to you, WHY
> does it look cool. THINK. And for Pete's sake, take the time to read the
> other replies first and say something else. Just don't regurgitate what
> other have said, it's a waste of time.
Aye. In this post
http://news.lugnet.com/space/?n=20860
like half of the people asked the same question (do you have a canopy?)
which had been answered already. This can become a bit annoying.
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> Now if I do happen to see a "Hey that cool" post I will reply to that poster
> and ask them why they think it cool. If you won't volunteer some useful info
> the first time, I'm gonna try to pry it out of you the second time. This is
> my new self appointed duty. Dave is the curator, I will be the "Questioner."
> (pretty cheesey huh?) I wish not to discourage people to post, it's the
> exact opposite, I wish people to post more, but with substance.
That's an interesting idea.
> Finally, I want to make this clear. I am not a jerk off, I just wish to
> remain truthful and in doing so you may get some hard hitting critism. I
> will not insult you or your creation in any way. Neither will I use negative
> or harsh comments that can be taken as offensive. I will simply say what I
> truely think. And I hope that some of you will too.
There was a debate about feedback that had some of this stuff a while back.
http://news.lugnet.com/space/?n=19298
Cross-posting to lugnet.general, because this applies to all of the groups,
-JHK
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