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Re: You should all read this (was Re: We need a new curator)
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Sun, 9 Feb 2003 08:05:39 GMT
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In lugnet.build.mecha, Tony Knaak writes:
> Hoooly crap! Someone finally had the balls to say it! I have been wanting to
> rant about this, but I figured everyone would think I am a jerk off. Now I
> get to prove it :D Anyway to my point...
>
> Scenerio:
> Lets say a guy, I will name him Bob, Say Bob posts a brand new mech here and
> asks the group what they like about it and what they don't like about it.
>
> Several hours later Bob checks the boards here and sees he has three replies
> to his post. He opens the first one and it says "Hey that's neat great job."
> Ok, he opens the next message, "Holy cow, that amazing", and the third.
> "Dude that rocks." Now Bob is a little put out. He asked a simple question
> and all he got was meaningless banter and nothing with real substance to
> better his building skills. What is Bob to think about this? He can tell
> that the masses like it, or do they? Are people just saying they like to be
> nice and to be accepted better into the group by not sticking out, not going
> against the grain, NOT SAYING WHAT THEY REALLY TRUELY THINK.
>
> This is a plauge in our group. I feel it and I know it is happening. I
> understand that I have done it too. But from now on, I vow to say what I
> really think about the creations I see here. Granted some of you will end up
> getting pissed off at me. And you know what I say to that? GOOD!!! Why you
> ask would I want you to get upset? To push you futher, make you build
> better. If someone thinks your creation is good, then you build the same
> way, over and over again, never really changing anything but the colors you
> use and the story that goes with it. BUT if someone thinks it could use some
> work, needs some polishing, or dare I say is not that great, then you will
> either go back to the drawing board, start over and come up with something
> WAY better, or you just whine and say what do they know, I am the best, and
> hide in your stagnent brooding thoughts. (Or bring up the parts count issue,
> which IMO is total crap. If you don't have enough white to make a Gundam,
> then don't make one. Simple. Build with what you have. Mini stuff is the
> rage now, be creative. Bigger is not always better, especially if it a
> rainbow mech.)
>
> Now I hope, I pray that this message will open some of your eyes a little. I
> think we can go past the days of "Hey that's cool" posts and actually use
> this board to relay some meaningful messages. If it looks cool to you, WHY
> does it look cool. THINK. And for Pete's sake, take the time to read the
> other replies first and say something else. Just don't regurgitate what
> other have said, it's a waste of time.
>
> Now if I do happen to see a "Hey that cool" post I will reply to that poster
> and ask them why they think it cool. If you won't volunteer some useful info
> the first time, I'm gonna try to pry it out of you the second time. This is
> my new self appointed duty. Dave is the curator, I will be the "Questioner."
> (pretty cheesey huh?) I wish not to discourage people to post, it's the
> exact opposite, I wish people to post more, but with substance.
>
> Finally, I want to make this clear. I am not a jerk off, I just wish to
> remain truthful and in doing so you may get some hard hitting critism. I
> will not insult you or your creation in any way. Neither will I use negative
> or harsh comments that can be taken as offensive. I will simply say what I
> truely think. And I hope that some of you will too.
>
> out
> Tony Knaak
> http://www.ozbricks.com/legostuff/index.html
I agree completely, and I think this goes hand in hand with the post I
just made [1]. It seems to be happening more and more, not just in .mecha,
but everywhere else as well - Someone will post a MOC, and just recieve the
"hey, that's cool!" message six times over. I'm just wondering what's
causing this. Apathy? Boredom with the current crop? Maybe there are so many
people posting so much that we can't keep up? Or is it, as Greg Oxsen points
out, the way we're set up?
I miss discussion and *constructive* criticism. Without guidance beyond
"good job!", new builders (and veterans, for that matter) simply won't grow.
Heck, the whole community will just stagnate.
Now I'll admit that I'm certainly not the best advocate for this point -
I've hardly posted outside of my own threads. But I feel like I got here
after the party was already done; it's been a long time since .mecha or
anything else I've noticed has had a real, meaningful discussion about
models and technique. I hope I've just been looking in the wrong places.
-jeremiah-
[1] http://news.lugnet.com/build/mecha/?n=8284
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