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[ldraw.org] Update —Tim Courtney

I just updated the ldraw.org main page - adding an article about MLCad and a link to the new ldraw.org linking images. Check it out! -Tim Courtney ldraw.org Project Coordinator (URL) timcourtne ICQ: 23951114 (25 years ago, 19-Aug-99, to lugnet.announce, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev)

Re: [ldraw.org] Update —Todd Lehman

(...) Awesome!!! (...) I'm starting to get worried that the bright red 2x3 brick appearing along the title of all the pages and appearing in all the linking images: (URL) cause confusion among average consumers and therefore concern at TLG. One of (...) (25 years ago, 19-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.publish)

Re: [ldraw.org] Update —Larry Pieniazek

PS, the Adequate.com logo/banner has a red brick problem too. (...) (25 years ago, 20-Aug-99, to lugnet.publish)

Re: [ldraw.org] Update —Todd Lehman

(...) IANAL, so I may be way off base, but I wouldn't worry quite as much about that image, for several reasons: 1) It's got a blinking "Search..." on the side; it's not a static image of a brick. (Maybe that's not a significant difference.) 2) What (...) (25 years ago, 20-Aug-99, to lugnet.publish, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

Re: [ldraw.org] Update —Tim Courtney

(...) Personally I didn't think twice about the Adequate.com red brick on the button. 1) I don't see it around that often and 2) to me the red 2x2 doesn't represent TLG (but to some it may). (...) Thanks :) Uhm, the 6982 was intended to be a (...) (25 years ago, 20-Aug-99, to lugnet.publish, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

Re: [ldraw.org] Update —Steve Bliss

(...) Like, right underneath the logo-bar. How about: "This site is better than official! It's [fan created], and The LEGO Group has nothing to do with!" Steve (25 years ago, 20-Aug-99, to lugnet.publish, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

Re: [ldraw.org] Update —Tim Courtney

(...) Yeah, I saw that program and downloaded it and just had to write about it :) Mike fully cooperated with my efforts to promote it (I wonder why) ;) and is very open to suggestions for future features. (...) Though this may be a way of covering (...) (25 years ago, 20-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.publish)

Re: [ldraw.org] Update —Todd Lehman

(...) I guess you'd be pretty surprised at some of the legal questions I've asked TLG out of the blue then! :-) Maybe I'm just weird like that. (...) That doesn't help me worry about it any less. But again, maybe I'm just weird like that. (...) Hmm. (...) (25 years ago, 20-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.publish)

Re: [ldraw.org] Update —Todd Lehman

(...) And on that note, I just removed the red 2x2 LEGO brick that I used to have in the logo here: (URL) can't go around being a hypocrite! --Todd [followups to lugnet.publish] (25 years ago, 20-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.publish)

Re: [ldraw.org] Update —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Strikes me as a strong argument for allowing banners and other items to be retrieved directly from your server instead of requiring that we host them in our space. (1) My LUGNET button is back level, and now my Fibblesnork banner is too. Hmm.. (...) (25 years ago, 20-Aug-99, to lugnet.publish)

Re: [ldraw.org] Update —Todd Lehman

(...) Fibblesnork banner??? (...) SOP for buttons on the web is for people to make local copies, because pages load faster that way -- the client's browser is only making an HTTP connection to a single server. I certainly practice deep linking to (...) (25 years ago, 20-Aug-99, to lugnet.publish)

Re: [ldraw.org] Update —Larry Pieniazek

(...) c /banner/logo/ and go look at my LEGO(R) front page. You'll see what I mean. It's a banner or logo and it promotes your site. Glad to do it, mind you, but feel that my point is valid. Most everything else there loads from elsewhence. (25 years ago, 20-Aug-99, to lugnet.publish)

backgrounds logo image (was: Re: [ldraw.org] Update) —Todd Lehman

(...) Oh! I see what you mean now. You placed a copy of the flb-logo-small.gif image at the bottom of your page. Hrrm. Re-reading the Terms of Use on the (URL) I guess that point #1 is ambiguous... 1. These images are original artwork and are (...) (25 years ago, 20-Aug-99, to lugnet.publish)

Re: backgrounds logo image (was: Re: [ldraw.org] Update) —Larry Pieniazek

I KNEW I should not have gotten into this. The outcome I desired was that you'd agree that you should host banner ads/logos/whatevers used by others to promote your sites, just as everyone else does. In fact many people actually REQUIRE it, they (...) (25 years ago, 21-Aug-99, to lugnet.publish)

Re: backgrounds logo image (was: Re: [ldraw.org] Update) —Todd Lehman

(...) Hmm, I don't think I've actually ever seen that before your mentioning it. Upon looking around a bit, I do see a -bit- of that now. Here are some sites that I'm aware of which distribute promotional images... Note that among this particular (...) (25 years ago, 21-Aug-99, to lugnet.publish)

Re: backgrounds logo image (was: Re: [ldraw.org] Update) —Larry Pieniazek

Todd Lehman wrote: <snip a bunch of technical stuff> OK, OK. I still think I'm right though, just too lazy to compose as long a reply as you did. I'm arguing about something which I think is to YOUR benefit, so I'll stop. I may be trying to teach (...) (25 years ago, 21-Aug-99, to lugnet.publish)

Re: backgrounds logo image (was: Re: [ldraw.org] Update) —Larry Pieniazek

Todd: On a tangential topic... is it Fibblesnork, fibblesnork.com, or both that you are asserting trademark on? (I assume both) This discussion caused me to spend some time revising and extending my Disclaimers Page ((URL) which I happen to think is (...) (25 years ago, 21-Aug-99, to lugnet.publish)

Re: backgrounds logo image (was: Re: [ldraw.org] Update) —Todd Lehman

(...) Just the first one. --Todd (25 years ago, 21-Aug-99, to lugnet.publish)

Re: backgrounds logo image (was: Re: [ldraw.org] Update) —Todd Lehman

(...) I _don't_ necessarily think you're _not_ right (vis-à-vis deep linking of banner and button images). It's just such an insignificant thing to worry about in the grand scheme of things, IMHO. Especially when deep linking presents problems that (...) (25 years ago, 21-Aug-99, to lugnet.publish)

Re: backgrounds logo image (was: Re: [ldraw.org] Update) —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Well if they're not text links, what are they to be then? You've removed the logo, right? So text is only choice available. Under the first numbered item, nothing other than backgrounds themselves is allowed to be copied and you don't support (...) (25 years ago, 21-Aug-99, to lugnet.publish)

Re: backgrounds logo image (was: Re: [ldraw.org] Update) —Larry Pieniazek

Another tangential question... why item #5? (...) An earlier version of my factoring form had the white image as background for the whole thing, except the table cell at the very top which is sort of a title block (that part now has white bricks, (...) (25 years ago, 21-Aug-99, to lugnet.publish)

Re: backgrounds logo image (was: Re: [ldraw.org] Update) —Todd Lehman

(...) Hmm, good question. IIRC, #5 was written long before backgrounds could be put into tables. So the motivation behind #5 wouldn't have been aesthetic, but rather to limit the ripping off of the images as a collection. But #4 already addressed (...) (25 years ago, 22-Aug-99, to lugnet.publish)

Re: backgrounds logo image (was: Re: [ldraw.org] Update) —Todd Lehman

(...) Use your imagination. If someone wanted, they could use any of: * Plain text (obviously :) * Rendered text, as seen for example in the left column of (URL) * A screenshot/thumbnail (almost certainly fair use if it's not too big), with or (...) (25 years ago, 21-Aug-99, to lugnet.publish)

Re: backgrounds logo image (was: Re: [ldraw.org] Update) —Larry Pieniazek

Once again, insufficient precision results in my looking rather foolish (but I meant to do that, I never make misteaks). (...) <various hypothetical, but not branded, non text ways of depicting a hyperlink> What I was getting at is that while (...) (25 years ago, 23-Aug-99, to lugnet.publish)

Re: [ldraw.org] Update —Pat Justison

(...) Speaking of which, did you get my request to post my banner (soon to be banners on your CLSotW banner page? Also, I was thinking of entering my Star Wars Lego Design Contest page for CLSotW consideration, do you think that is appropriate? I'd (...) (25 years ago, 20-Aug-99, to lugnet.publish)

CLSotW banners (was: Re: [ldraw.org] Update) —Todd Lehman

(...) Yup, got it -- it's in my inbox. I usually update the CLSotW banners page on Sunday at the same time as updating the CLSotW itself, but since you wrote "I'll have a 40x400 banner for my main site soon," and yours was the only submission that (...) (25 years ago, 20-Aug-99, to lugnet.publish)

Re: [ldraw.org] Update —Mike Stanley

(...) Yeah, as much as I think this whole "trade dress" thing is silly, I agree 100% with Todd right here. Don't get me wrong - I LOVE ldraw.org - I love all the hard work that's gone into it. And maybe it's just the fact that I'm colorblind that (...) (25 years ago, 20-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.publish)

Re: [ldraw.org] Update —Steve Bliss

(...) Or something that's not any kind of a brick. Steve (25 years ago, 20-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.publish)

Re: [ldraw.org] Update —Tim Courtney

(...) Well, if we were to contact TLG, what would be the best approach to it, to get on their good side? I'm not totally objected to contacting them, I just would like to make sure we've done everything we can to have them not jump on us beforehand. (...) (25 years ago, 20-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.publish)

Re: [ldraw.org] Update —Jacob Sparre Andersen

Tim: The new article on MLCad is good. I like the linking graphics, but Todd is correct in pointing out the potential problem. Since we can be sure TLG will see the site soon (if they haven't been there yet), we can just as well be polite and ask (...) (25 years ago, 20-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.publish)

Re: [ldraw.org] Update —Ryan Dennett

So, why not change it to blue or yellow or any other color. That way we keep the brick, but let Lego keep their red 2xN bricks. Would this work?? I'd personally prefer the red, but if we want to avoid any problems with the red 2xN brick use changing (...) (25 years ago, 20-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.publish)

Re: [ldraw.org] Update —Steve Bliss

(...) Not contacting them is a simpler short-term solution. And it's one that is often used. I haven't asked them about the 2x3 brick icon used by LDAO, both as the program icon, and on the LDAO homepage. But calling inaction a "wiser solution" is (...) (25 years ago, 20-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.publish)

Re: [ldraw.org] Update —John VanZwieten

Steve Bliss <blisses@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:37bd5e73.642071...net.com... (...) What about the brick fading from outline to raytrace as the logo. That seems to me different enough from the LEGO uses of bricks, and it is certainly (...) (25 years ago, 20-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.publish)

Re: [ldraw.org] Update —Steve Bliss

(...) I'm not sure how well that image would work as a small icon. But it would be cool. As long as it was a color other than red, it would probably be OK. A plain wireframe brick would be good as a logo, as well. Particularly if it did the (...) (25 years ago, 20-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.publish)

Re: [ldraw.org] Update —John VanZwieten

Steve Bliss <blisses@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:37bd7e8a.724234...net.com... (...) But we could design our own keyboard tile (w/ all the letters even) and a computer screen w/ a 2X3 brick on it! But you'd still have the problem with (...) (25 years ago, 20-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.publish)

Re: [ldraw.org] Update —Steve Bliss

(...) I thought about that. The problem is, ldraw.org *doesn't* do pieces which aren't real-world LEGO. Funny colors, maybe. Fake pieces, never. Steve (25 years ago, 20-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.publish)

Re: [ldraw.org] Update —Tim Courtney

(...) I agree. -Tim <>< (URL) timcourtne ICQ: 23951114 Commonwealth Edison: What do you do with OUR power? Get paid to surf the web! Visit: (URL) (25 years ago, 21-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.publish)

Re: [ldraw.org] Update —Tim Courtney

(...) On the small logos it probably would not work, so another solution would have to be devised for that. (...) I'd prefer to keep it red. I don't think a wireframe fade would be considered under TLG's trade dress if a squabble arose. (...) I (...) (25 years ago, 20-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.publish)

Re: [ldraw.org] Update —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Why? Seems to me that changing to white or grey or blue, if it meant approval from TLG would be no big deal... Red is the color they use for most everything brickish. (...) Probably would in fact be trade dress, as would every other thing (...) (25 years ago, 20-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.publish)

Re: [ldraw.org] Update —Tim Courtney

(...) The more I think about it, I think a simple letter would do. But first I think we should experiment a bit with different logos and present them printed on the letter so they can review them right there and state their preference. Once I get (...) (25 years ago, 20-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.publish)

Re: [ldraw.org] Update —Bram Lambrecht

(...) I suggest capitalizing LEGO in the linking image and adding the (R), otherwise, great job! --Bram (25 years ago, 20-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

Re: [ldraw.org] Update —Pat Justison

The links to mlcad page and program aren't connecting. (...) (25 years ago, 20-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

Re: [ldraw.org] Update —Pat Justison

The links to the MLCAD page and download are not connecting. Pat J (...) (25 years ago, 20-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

Re: [ldraw.org] Update —Tim Courtney

(...) Than that's not a problem with ldraw.org, that's a problem with the server Mike's pages are on. I can upload my copy of mlcad13.zip to ldraw.org and have two download location choices - he ok'ed the download from ldraw.org. I'll make a note of (...) (25 years ago, 21-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)