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Re: LUGNET members association
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lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.suggestions
Date: 
Fri, 22 Apr 2005 05:22:58 GMT
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In lugnet.admin.general, Larry Pieniazek wrote:

Granted, there are lessons that can be taken, but endless debate (about specific
reviewing actions) has proven (in many many other places, not just here) not to
be useful. So when, for example, some discussion of a reviewing action occurs,
at some point you are going to see an admin remind the community that the
decision was taken and that decision can't be undone and the debate isn't going
to change the fact that it was decided that way in the past because you can't
change the past.

Do you agree that's valid?

I'm not sure exactly which part you're referring to so I'll just look at the
last paragraph.

I agree debate is not going to change the initial decision, but it CAN point out
fallacies in the decision process that could lead ANOTHER decision that (at
least partially) undoes the initial decision, and hopefully reduces the chance
of a similar incorrect decisions in the future.

"We are not going to debate" might not be the best phrasing but that's the
important idea to convey. How would you phrase it differently?

How about "Any further debate will not change the original decision, but may, if
a convincing argument is put, cause the Administration to consider actions which
may (fully or partially) undo a previous decision"?

That does not specify whether or not Admins will take part in any debate, but
does make it plain that arguments arising from admin decisions will always be
considered. The current wording does not give any such assurance.

ROSCO



Message has 2 Replies:
  Re: LUGNET members association
 
(...) I was referring to the whole thing. What specifically do you disagree with? This is an important point that bears repeating: " endless debate (about specific reviewing actions) has proven (in many many other places, not just here) not to be (...) (20 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.suggestions)
  Re: LUGNET members association
 
(...) Wow. You're right Ross, that is worded much better. That reminds me, I probably shouldn't be posting this right now without my lawyer being present. There might be some minor misunderstanding that prompts endless accusations at my character (...) (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.suggestions)

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  Re: LUGNET members association
 
(...) Let's clarify what's meant when that sort of thing is said. (and what was omitted when it was said) This is, at some level, a governance question (governance in the general sense of "how things are organised") It's important to distinguish (...) (20 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.suggestions)

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