 | | Compressionism (D&RGW coach set) —Didier Enjary
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| | | | | Re: Compressionism (D&RGW coach set) —Tim David
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| | | | | (...) I think it depends on what you are trying to acheive. In this example Steve has used compression pretty well, its not as a compressed as a Lego designed train but he has managed to chop a considerable amount out without it looking 'wrong' (...) (19 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: Compressionism (D&RGW coach set) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | (...) Can't speak for anyone else, but I see it as just about mandatory to do anything useable, and still have bricks left over. Replicating every window, every seat, every rivet is just not possible, so leave some out, as long as the feeling is (...) (19 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: Compressionism (D&RGW coach set) —Tim David
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| | | | | | | (...) Just a thought, brought on by you mentioning leaving windows out. Some European HO manufacturers compress the length of long coaches in HO. They do this by having the basic scale of 1:87 but having the length modelled to 1:100. this means that (...) (19 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Compressionism (D&RGW coach set) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) Less windows, in my view. Typically, most modelers feel compression works better by having less of a repeating element instead of making the element smaller (you could do some searching of back issues of model railroad magazines for articles (...) (19 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: Compressionism (D&RGW coach set) —Jonathan Reynolds
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| | | | | | | (...) Agreed. Part of the skill (and fun) in building anything real in Lego is to leave in what is essential to the character and leave out what you can get away with to ensure functionality. So, the skill required is beyond simply making something (...) (19 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: Compressionism (D&RGW coach set) —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) Please. Are you implying that you wouldn't have literally 100,000s of bricks "left over"? Or are you speaking for anyone else? :-) (...) (URL) THESE> evoke the feeling of passenger cars as well, so what is the point? Are you about "evoking (...) (19 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Eggliners (was Re: Compressionism (D&RGW coach set)) —Tim David
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| | | | | | | (...) Now they ARE cool! Tim (19 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Eggliners (was Re: Compressionism (D&RGW coach set)) —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I like mine sunny side up;-) JOHN (19 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Eggliners (was Re: Compressionism (D&RGW coach set)) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) Eggliners are a good joke... But to me, they do NOT capture the essence of a train car. There is a place you have to know where to stop compressing and they went TOO far. That is why in my ATSF project, I made the cars LONGER than Lego chose (...) (19 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Compressionism (D&RGW coach set) —Samarth Moray
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| | | | | | (...) LMAO! Those are cute! I HATE it when I walk in late on an interesting thread and everthing I want to say has been said already :-( (I hope I don't offend anyone by posting these links, but IMO, these are examples where selective compression (...) (19 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Compressionism (D&RGW coach set) —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | In lugnet.trains, Samarth Moray wrote: <snip> (...) Then you get this-- (URL) I have bookmarked and still go there every so often to have a boo at the wonderfulness that is 6 wide... Dave K (19 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Compressionism (D&RGW coach set) —Scott E. Sanburn
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| | | | | | To All, Interesting discussion. Anyhow, (...) Just to clarify on a few things - this is Stefan Garcia's creation, and IIRC, he was trying to get a DTI engine with all of his available orange, and this was the result. Stefan has done some remarkable (...) (19 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Compressionism (D&RGW coach set) —Samarth Moray
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| | | | | | (...) LOL, I know its Stefan's, I talk to him online. (I hope he doesn't hold my posting that link against me o_o) But I was unaware of the story behind the diesel, thanks for it. I am also aware that he has a big collection, the lucky devil. (...) (19 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | Re: Compressionism (D&RGW coach set) —John Neal
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| | | | | (...) Personally, I try and avoid it like the plague. I consider building 6 wide trains an (unnecessary) exercise in width compression. Of all the types of compression, this particular one makes a train look wonky IMO. There is just no getting (...) (19 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: Compressionism (D&RGW coach set) —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | (...) It's the age old debate b/w 6 and 8 (or other) wide. For me, there are three overwhelming factors for my love of 6 wide and 'selective compression'-- 1. since the minifig isn't to the same scale as a person in all dimensions, making a (...) (19 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Compressionism (D&RGW coach set) —Samarth Moray
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| | | | | | | | (...) Hey! That looks remarkably similar to Josh Baakko's 8-wide version! (URL) (19 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: Compressionism (D&RGW coach set) —Tim David
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| | | | | | (...) While I tend to agree with you, and I build to 'scale', I actually think that producing a compressed but right looking model is harder. While you avoid some of the problems of building to scale (need for more brick, problems with corners, etc) (...) (19 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Compressionism (D&RGW coach set) —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) I know what you mean. When I see a fine compressed train, as in a James Mathis creation, the word that comes to my mind is "cute". LEGO train sets are "cute". In particular, I remember loving the cuteness of the (URL) Club Car> when it first (...) (19 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Compressionism (D&RGW coach set) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) Funny, when I see a fine looking (when on static display) 8 wide model on a curve, even a curve/straight/curve curve, the word that comes to mind is "ridiculous". If and when LEGO ever makes decent radii, I might switch. But till then, no. I (...) (19 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Compressionism (D&RGW coach set) —Samarth Moray
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| | | | | | | (...) Too bad YOU don't care enough to take up the challenge presented by those articulations ;-) (...) I'm sure he's talking about 8-wides in general. Like, I dunno, not just his.... Also, while we're at it, you misspelled 'nobody' ;-P I think my (...) (19 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Compressionism (D&RGW coach set) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Trying for the record for fasted suggestion to "rejected" on LUGNET?(1) Go for it! Everybody's got to try to be good at something I guess. XFUT off-topic.fun 1 - "smilies" is already on the rejected list, I think... (19 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.off-topic.fun, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Compressionism (D&RGW coach set) —Jason Spears
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| | | | | | | | (...) If you were a tricky fellow, you could use it already. (URL) Jason Spears | (URL) House of Bricks> | (URL) BrickCentral> | (URL) MichLUG> | (URL) CLB> (19 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.off-topic.fun, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Compressionism (D&RGW coach set) —John Neal
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| | | | | | | (...) That's interesting. I've never had the wonky weave problem. Perhaps it is because we go curve-straight-curve-straight (never 2 curves together). (...) Yeah, and bats will fly out of my butt! (...) <shrug> We build to run as well. And you will (...) (19 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Compressionism (D&RGW coach set) —Christopher Masi
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Ugh, I can't stand it. We just had a layout that used c-s-c-s-c-s-c to avoid a track overlap, and I felt like puking as the trains went bobbing through it. I can only imagine how those poor minifigs felt. As for the 8-wide debate, we all know (...) (19 years ago, 5-Apr-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Compressionism (D&RGW coach set) —Jan-Albert van Ree
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Better that way than having several clubmembers coming to you asking what that stupid big engine did to their trackside structures. (I was the only 8-wide builder at the time and built my engines big, heavy and as overpowered as possible :D ) (19 years ago, 5-Apr-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Compressionism (D&RGW coach set) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) Sorry, that's what I meant, apologies if that wasn't clear. Steve's right though, you need to stop hassling people about their desires (and they need to stop hassling you about yours)... (19 years ago, 6-Apr-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Compressionism —John Gerlach
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| | | | | | <Throws bucket of cold water on the whole 6-wide vs. 8-wide posturing...> Build what you like. If it runs, great! If not, either live with it, or rebuild it. My take is as long as the 'trainheads' recognize what I'm trying to build, I've done a good (...) (19 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Compressionism —Jason J. Railton
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| | | | | | | (...) I beg to differ. My minifigs recently came out in protest against the increased noise levels and pollution of trialling a proposed 8-wide design. I didn't have enough green 1x2 tiles with '100' print to contest the issue so will be sticking to (...) (19 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Compressionism —Mark Bellis
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| | | | | | | | (...) At least you've tried it Jason. A lot of the critics of wider trains haven't had a decent go at it. It takes tenacity to make it work. I've been at it for 9 years now! If Lar is waiting for wider radius curves before trying it, let's see his (...) (19 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Compressionism —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) You're right. No fun, but right. So get J2 to shut up, he's the main instigator of the "bigger is better" thing... you'd think he's compensating for something. (although Spencer and his 7 wide automobiles certainly don't help matters) (19 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Compressionism —John Kelly III
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| | | | | | | (...) You send the rope, duct tape, and concrete and we'll find someone large named Chuck, Giudo, or Chuckles. (19 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Compressionism —John Neal
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| | | | | | | (...) Hey, why don't you shut your piehole? A simple question was asked by Didier to the community asking what people thought of compressionism, and I responded. If you don't like my response, then keep it to yourself. (...) Ahem. "Family forum", (...) (19 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Compressionism —John Gerlach
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| | | | | | (...) Sadly, not possible. I'd be willing to bet he talks in his sleep. We still wonder where Ross got his building abilities. Maybe his mother? (19 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: Compressionism (D&RGW coach set) —Jan-Albert van Ree
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| | | | | (...) With engines I always try to build to scale as far as possible, with coaches this usually isn't possible due to length vs curve radius and a few other practical limitations. Around 50-60 studs would be the max for length of any rail vehicle. (...) (19 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | Re: Compressionism (D&RGW coach set) —Samarth Moray
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| | | | | | (...) I think it all boils down to what PURPOSE you want your train MOC to have. Whether you want it to be just a beautiful display piece, to run on a layout, or hey, even a mixture of the two. A good example of the former would be this model (IMO) (...) (19 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Compressionism (D&RGW coach set) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | (...) Agreed, those models aren't built primarily for their running qualities. (...) Except that I found out (second hand, I wasn't there, I was in S'pore) that it's not as good a runner as I had hoped. Needs tuning on a big layout... Sigh. I agree (...) (19 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Compressionism (D&RGW coach set) —Samarth Moray
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| | | | | | | | (...) Seems to me you have a lot of problem(s) running LOL! ;-) Legoswami Highly subtle one, 50/50 chance you'll get it, IMO. (19 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Compressionism (D&RGW coach set) —Jan-Albert van Ree
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| | | | | | (...) I usually want it to do both... My Gls box cars & all my engines are pretty much uncompressed. If I look at (URL) , by Ludger Havighorst, I also see true-to-scale trains which run fine. It's just a matter of picking out a model which lends (...) (19 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | Re: Compressionism —Didier Enjary
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| | | | (...) I felt uncomfortable with compressionism (for my own MOCs) and I prefered not compress, choosing between staying stuck in 6-wide or not running my trains on difficult layout (uneven, curved,...). This thread (and Steve's beautiful colored (...) (19 years ago, 4-Apr-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: Compressionism —Steven Barile
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| | | | A very close friend has been recently teaching me a lot about not trying to change others. It's hard for me and as I try grow in this particular direction I have become more sensitive to it and I see it in most everyone. :) I think that we should (...) (19 years ago, 5-Apr-05, to lugnet.trains)
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