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After we all recieve these nice Lego cars designed by James Mathis, we are
going to need a Train Station. To be honest, I would rather see a Station than
a B-unit or Steam Engine wheels. But, I don't know, what does everyone else
think? I also think they should have released the Engine Shed but that never
happened. We need a station like 2150 that doesn't display a attempt of
"juniorization" or trying to appeal to younger markets. Maybe Lego Direct could
release 2150 again as a Legend.
Hopefully, someday Trains will be as good as it once was.
Dan
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In lugnet.trains, Dan Voelkerding writes:
> After we all recieve these nice Lego cars designed by James Mathis, we are
> going to need a Train Station. To be honest, I would rather see a Station than
> a B-unit or Steam Engine wheels. But, I don't know, what does everyone else
> think? I also think they should have released the Engine Shed but that never
> happened. We need a station like 2150 that doesn't display a attempt of
> "juniorization" or trying to appeal to younger markets. Maybe Lego Direct could
> release 2150 again as a Legend.
> Hopefully, someday Trains will be as good as it once was.
> Dan
I totally agree. Release the 2150. We need it! :)
Kecia
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In lugnet.trains, Kecia Hansen writes:
> In lugnet.trains, Dan Voelkerding writes:
> > After we all recieve these nice Lego cars designed by James Mathis, we are
> > going to need a Train Station. To be honest, I would rather see a Station than
> > a B-unit or Steam Engine wheels. But, I don't know, what does everyone else
> > think? I also think they should have released the Engine Shed but that never
> > happened. We need a station like 2150 that doesn't display a attempt of
> > "juniorization" or trying to appeal to younger markets. Maybe Lego Direct
> > could release 2150 again as a Legend.
> >
> > Dan
>
> I totally agree. Release the 2150. We need it! :)
>
> Kecia
And *not* in yellow or red. How about tan or grey?
As you can see, I'm rather partial to a tan station with white windows and a
black roof: http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=65079
<grin>
JohnG, GMLTC
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In lugnet.trains, John Gerlach writes:
> In lugnet.trains, Kecia Hansen writes:
> > In lugnet.trains, Dan Voelkerding writes:
> > > After we all recieve these nice Lego cars designed by James Mathis, we are
> > > going to need a Train Station. To be honest, I would rather see a Station than
> > > a B-unit or Steam Engine wheels. But, I don't know, what does everyone else
> > > think? I also think they should have released the Engine Shed but that never
> > > happened. We need a station like 2150 that doesn't display a attempt of
> > > "juniorization" or trying to appeal to younger markets. Maybe Lego Direct
> > > could release 2150 again as a Legend.
> > >
> > > Dan
> >
> > I totally agree. Release the 2150. We need it! :)
> >
> > Kecia
>
> And *not* in yellow or red. How about tan or grey?
>
> As you can see, I'm rather partial to a tan station with white windows and a
> black roof: http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=65079
>
> <grin>
>
> JohnG, GMLTC
Holy smokes! That's a BIG station.
Kecia
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In lugnet.trains, Kecia Hansen writes:
> In lugnet.trains, John Gerlach writes:
> > As you can see, I'm rather partial to a tan station with white windows and a
> > black roof: http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=65079
> >
> > <grin>
> >
> > JohnG, GMLTC
>
> Holy smokes! That's a BIG station.
>
> Kecia
We try to build to the scale of the 8-wide trains. The platform should
actually be much longer.
The GMLTC firmly believes that "bigger is better". We blame it all on John
Neal... ;-)
JohnG, GMLTC
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In lugnet.trains, Kecia Hansen writes:
> In lugnet.trains, John Gerlach writes:
> > And *not* in yellow or red. How about tan or grey?
Roger, Roger!
> > As you can see, I'm rather partial to a tan station with white windows and a
> > black roof: http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=65079
> >
> > <grin>
> >
> > JohnG, GMLTC
>
> Holy smokes! That's a BIG station.
Well, he started out to build a 2150 (in alternate colors but following the
directions exactly), but as you know, the GMLTC members are known not to
follow directions well. :-)
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Interesting quote here...
"Hopefully, someday Trains will be as good as it once was."
I would assert that today, right now, is a LEGO Train heyday! There are at
least two reasons to support this.
1) There are more 9v train models/sets available today than ever before.
2) There are more individual elements available from LEGO and on the
secondary market than ever before.
And some comments...
As for a train station, if you want a train station, pick one that you like
and build it. That's what this hobby is all about.
The worse thing that LEGO can do to themselves is slowly turn into Revell
(the plastic model company) and completely loose the magic that keeps their
customers loyal; infinite possibilities. LEGO has lost faith in their
customer's dreams and aspirations, the exact ingredients that feeds the
desire to build.
I'd rather see LEGO stop making new sets and chasing trendy themes and
release 100 unique part packs for 25 different colors! Or at least bulk some
buckets (when ever they get here).
And until that day, there's something like a million bricks for sale on
brick link! No shortage there.
SteveB
PNLTC
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In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek writes:
>
> Well, he started out to build a 2150 (in alternate colors but following the
> directions exactly), but as you know, the GMLTC members are known not to
> follow directions well. :-)
HEY!! That's *OUR* line! <grin>
We're also trying to come up with a way to put a large opening in that big
black roof, so people can see into the station easier. Currently, if we
want to show off the interior details, we have to lift the roof completely
off. And I get more than a little nervous when small cracks start showing
up where the roof bricks are starting to separate...
I dropped that roof once in Conan's basement. I *really* don't want to have
to put it back together again!!
JohnG, GMLTC
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In lugnet.trains, John Gerlach writes:
> And *not* in yellow or red. How about tan or grey?
A big AMEN to that. I'm all for bringing back classic *designs*, not
necessarily *sets*.
The 2 elements I'd most love to see produced in a color not currently available
are the 4x3 low slope and the 3x3 low double corner slope in *dark gray*
<drool>
-J-2
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In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.trains, Kecia Hansen writes:
> > In lugnet.trains, John Gerlach writes:
>
> > > And *not* in yellow or red. How about tan or grey?
>
> Roger, Roger!
>
> > > As you can see, I'm rather partial to a tan station with white windows and a
> > > black roof: http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=65079
> > >
> > > <grin>
> > >
> > > JohnG, GMLTC
> >
> > Holy smokes! That's a BIG station.
>
> Well, he started out to build a 2150 (in alternate colors but following the
> directions exactly), but as you know, the GMLTC members are known not to
> follow directions well. :-)
Heh heh.
Love the idea, about a new colour.
Kecia
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> In lugnet.trains, Steve Barile writes:
> Interesting quote here...
> "Hopefully, someday Trains will be as good as it once was."
> I would assert that today, right now, is a LEGO Train heyday!
_Without question_ you are correct! And it is my feeling that it is only going
to get better-- WAY better! As Brad Justus once intimated to me, "You ain't
seen *nothin'* yet!"
-John
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Well, they've been CAST in dark grey, just not for public consumption. Someone
posted a MOC from Europe a copule weeks back, using the dark grey low slopes gotten
from a Red Letter day at Legoland, from what I can remember.
Personally, I think they should get working on superlow, low, medium, and high
slopes in ALL shades of grey and black, with as many transition bricks as possible,
so we can really get going on roof designs for buildings.
John wrote:
> In lugnet.trains, John Gerlach writes:
>
> > And *not* in yellow or red. How about tan or grey?
>
> A big AMEN to that. I'm all for bringing back classic *designs*, not
> necessarily *sets*.
>
> The 2 elements I'd most love to see produced in a color not currently available
> are the 4x3 low slope and the 3x3 low double corner slope in *dark gray*
>
> <drool>
>
> -J-2
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In lugnet.trains, John Gerlach writes:
> In lugnet.trains, Kecia Hansen writes:
> > In lugnet.trains, Dan Voelkerding writes:
> > > After we all recieve these nice Lego cars designed by James Mathis, we are
> > > going to need a Train Station. To be honest, I would rather see a Station • than
> > > a B-unit or Steam Engine wheels. But, I don't know, what does everyone else
> > > think? I also think they should have released the Engine Shed but that never
> > > happened. We need a station like 2150 that doesn't display a attempt of
> > > "juniorization" or trying to appeal to younger markets. Maybe Lego Direct
> > > could release 2150 again as a Legend.
> > >
> > > Dan
> >
> > I totally agree. Release the 2150. We need it! :)
> >
> > Kecia
>
> And *not* in yellow or red. How about tan or grey?
Pink...
http://www.southbendtribune.com/98/jun/062298/local_ar/81373.htm
I'm sure there are better examples, but I couldn't find one.
Frank
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In lugnet.trains, Frank Filz writes:
> In lugnet.trains, John Gerlach writes:
> > In lugnet.trains, Kecia Hansen writes:
> > > In lugnet.trains, Dan Voelkerding writes:
> > > > After we all recieve these nice Lego cars designed by James Mathis, we are
> > > > going to need a Train Station. To be honest, I would rather see a Station • than
> > > > a B-unit or Steam Engine wheels. But, I don't know, what does everyone else
> > > > think? I also think they should have released the Engine Shed but that never
> > > > happened. We need a station like 2150 that doesn't display a attempt of
> > > > "juniorization" or trying to appeal to younger markets. Maybe Lego Direct
> > > > could release 2150 again as a Legend.
> > > >
> > > > Dan
> > >
> > > I totally agree. Release the 2150. We need it! :)
> > >
> > > Kecia
> >
> > And *not* in yellow or red. How about tan or grey?
>
> Pink...
>
> http://www.southbendtribune.com/98/jun/062298/local_ar/81373.htm
>
> I'm sure there are better examples, but I couldn't find one.
>
> Frank
pictures of a wide variety can be found at
http://www.trainweb.org/rshs/great_railroad_stations.htm
sheree
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Maybe LEGO can rerelease 4554/2150 in different colours for us to choose
from, just like what they are doing to the steam engines KT10X, KT20X,
KT30X, KT40X.
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But release 2150 with a DARK GREY roof, and maybe light grey bricks for the walls.
Or sand blue. Or Maersk blue ;-)
Kecia Hansen wrote:
> In lugnet.trains, Dan Voelkerding writes:
> > After we all recieve these nice Lego cars designed by James Mathis, we are
> > going to need a Train Station. To be honest, I would rather see a Station than
> > a B-unit or Steam Engine wheels. But, I don't know, what does everyone else
> > think? I also think they should have released the Engine Shed but that never
> > happened. We need a station like 2150 that doesn't display a attempt of
> > "juniorization" or trying to appeal to younger markets. Maybe Lego Direct could
> > release 2150 again as a Legend.
> > Hopefully, someday Trains will be as good as it once was.
> > Dan
>
> I totally agree. Release the 2150. We need it! :)
>
> Kecia
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Hi,
Now what? Well we can make our own MOC's of trains/cars/housing but NOT
TRACK.
So I would like to have MORE DIFFERENT TRACKS:
- different lengths of track elements
- different radius
- more turnout geometries (curved, tripple)
- different crossings with a non-90 degree angle
- decouplers
- signals
- a TURNTABLE
- anti-derail units
AND all REMOTE CONTROLED...
So that we can MODEL a layout!
yeah, that's what has to come now.. I HOPE .....
Guido
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In lugnet.trains, Tom Stangl writes:
> Well, they've been CAST in dark grey, just not for public
> consumption. Someone posted a MOC from Europe a copule weeks back,
> using the dark grey low slopes gotten from a Red Letter day at Legoland,
> from what I can remember.
>
> Personally, I think they should get working on superlow, low, medium,
> and high slopes in ALL shades of grey and black, with as many transition
> bricks as possible, so we can really get going on roof designs for
> buildings.
That was me, with my version of the Oakham, Rutland (UK) signal box:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/j.j.railton/specials/greensig.jpg
I've just about acquired enough dark grey concaves to put proper gables
above the windows of this station too:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/j.j.railton/iscc1/004.jpg
But it's insane how hard it is to get the bricks! The opinions pages on the
Lego site are full of comments of people wanting a decent supply of roof
bricks in realistic colours, but so far - zip.
If anyone reads that opinions page, where are the roof bricks? Where are
the steam engine drivers? People in the UK are paying big wads of cash for
tours of Legoland largely to get their hands on a few rare bricks!
Jason J Railton
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"Jason J Railton" <j.j.railton@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:H07n5n.Fn6@lugnet.com...
> In lugnet.trains, Tom Stangl writes:
> > Well, they've been CAST in dark grey, just not for public
> > consumption. Someone posted a MOC from Europe a copule weeks back,
> > using the dark grey low slopes gotten from a Red Letter day at Legoland,
> > from what I can remember.
> >
> > Personally, I think they should get working on superlow, low, medium,
> > and high slopes in ALL shades of grey and black, with as many transition
> > bricks as possible, so we can really get going on roof designs for
> > buildings.
>
> That was me, with my version of the Oakham, Rutland (UK) signal box:
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/j.j.railton/specials/greensig.jpg
> I've just about acquired enough dark grey concaves to put proper gables
> above the windows of this station too:
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/j.j.railton/iscc1/004.jpg
>
> But it's insane how hard it is to get the bricks! The opinions pages on • the
> Lego site are full of comments of people wanting a decent supply of roof
> bricks in realistic colours, but so far - zip.
>
> If anyone reads that opinions page, where are the roof bricks? Where are
> the steam engine drivers? People in the UK are paying big wads of cash • for
> tours of Legoland largely to get their hands on a few rare bricks!
I have come to the conclusion that Lego, and/or specifically Lego Direct,
have little interest in increasing the variety of bulk bricks on offer.
They have been on sale for a long time now, during which period it has
hardly changed. Yet during that time, they clearly have been producing vast
quantities of all manner of shapes and sizes of bricks which could just as
easily be diverted to bulk supply as any other brick. If they can put black
bricks in a packet, why not grey ones if they are also producing them? If
they can put one type of window in a packet, why not another? There are lots
of windows they are producing in bulk at present - but none are available as
bulk.
And it is not a website issue, that has to be trivial - adding another item
in the ecommerce database.
I can only come to the conclusion that some bright marketing guy has decided
that those people who might be inclined to buy bulk bricks, (i.e serious
enthusiasts) are already willing to buy multiple sets to get hold of the
bulk they need, thus providing much more revenue to Lego than they would if
they only bought the specific brick in bulk.
I don't play that game - so consequently I dont buy anything from Lego.
Despite several ascertains that the range would increase it never has. They
have again recently said it will be increased soon. I am not holding my
breath, and certainly not expecting too much if it is.
Lawrence
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I'm always the guy making him nervous. I love showing that the roof comes
off! I've taken to brining a cooler so kids can stand on it and peek in at
the scenes inside. No problems.... yet.
In lugnet.trains, John Gerlach writes:
> In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> >
> > Well, he started out to build a 2150 (in alternate colors but following the
> > directions exactly), but as you know, the GMLTC members are known not to
> > follow directions well. :-)
>
> HEY!! That's *OUR* line! <grin>
>
> We're also trying to come up with a way to put a large opening in that big
> black roof, so people can see into the station easier. Currently, if we
> want to show off the interior details, we have to lift the roof completely
> off. And I get more than a little nervous when small cracks start showing
> up where the roof bricks are starting to separate...
>
> I dropped that roof once in Conan's basement. I *really* don't want to have
> to put it back together again!!
>
> JohnG, GMLTC
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I always find these types of comments fascinating. It could be that LEGO
has changed quite a bit since I was a Model Builder for them. (Well it’s
changed a lot in that most of the shop I was part of was moved off shore.)
One of the common misconceptions that occurred was that as a model shop we
had this fantastic inventory system and could get any brick we wanted in any
color in any quantity. Fact of the matter was that we rarely had a complete
selection of even the most current elements. I find that I have a more
complete assortment of bricks in Conan’s basement then I did in the model
shop. What the model shop had in quantity was basic bricks and plates. If
we needed a supply of roof bricks, we’d have to order them. If we were
lucky, they might be in inventory at the plant down the road. If they were
not, we’d look overseas to their inventories. If it wasn’t there, we’d
frequently redesign the model. That is how expensive it was for a Lego
department to order a molding run done. We’d do it occasionally. It
usually meant that we would have boxes and boxes and boxes of that
particular element for months since the minimum production runs were always
greater then the number we needed.
If you consider it was tough for a model shop with 15-25 full time model
builders to justify a production run, imagine how difficult it is for a Lego
Direct sales forecaster. My gut assumption of how the bulk ordering works
is that Lego Direct begs, borrows, and steals some extra time on a
production run of an element to place in their inventory. If Lego ran the
gray roof bricks two years ago to handle supply for the next five years,
then Lego Direct would be out of luck until they ran those elements again.
No matter what your demand looked like for bulk ordering, I doubt you’d be
able to justify the run on the element. The cost on a special production
run to meet that demand would mean the cost would be higher than you would
be willing to pay.
As Lego must have certainly increased their capacity in the eight years
since I left the model shop, I’m sure finding unusual elements for model
building is even more difficult. Frankly, based on my experience in the
Model Shop, I didn’t think Lego would ever be able to pull off bulk
ordering. (Larry will vouch for me, when he was here back in 99,98? I
frequently told him I didn’t think it would ever happen.) You may be
disappointed in Lego Direct’s offerings, frankly I’m amazed they’ve been
able to do what they have considering the amount of work that would be
necessary to make their business work.
This is my “Cool Lego Site of the Week” for end of ’96 into the beginning
of ’97. I haven’t touched it for quite some time.
http://www.onemadogre.com/em/default.htm It details the model building
experience I had.
Thanks -
-John 3
In lugnet.trains, Lawrence Wilkes writes:
>
> "Jason J Railton" <j.j.railton@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:H07n5n.Fn6@lugnet.com...
> > In lugnet.trains, Tom Stangl writes:
> > > Well, they've been CAST in dark grey, just not for public
> > > consumption. Someone posted a MOC from Europe a copule weeks back,
> > > using the dark grey low slopes gotten from a Red Letter day at Legoland,
> > > from what I can remember.
> > >
> > > Personally, I think they should get working on superlow, low, medium,
> > > and high slopes in ALL shades of grey and black, with as many transition
> > > bricks as possible, so we can really get going on roof designs for
> > > buildings.
> >
> > That was me, with my version of the Oakham, Rutland (UK) signal box:
> > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/j.j.railton/specials/greensig.jpg
> > I've just about acquired enough dark grey concaves to put proper gables
> > above the windows of this station too:
> > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/j.j.railton/iscc1/004.jpg
> >
> > But it's insane how hard it is to get the bricks! The opinions pages on • the
> > Lego site are full of comments of people wanting a decent supply of roof
> > bricks in realistic colours, but so far - zip.
> >
> > If anyone reads that opinions page, where are the roof bricks? Where are
> > the steam engine drivers? People in the UK are paying big wads of cash • for
> > tours of Legoland largely to get their hands on a few rare bricks!
>
> I have come to the conclusion that Lego, and/or specifically Lego Direct,
> have little interest in increasing the variety of bulk bricks on offer.
>
> They have been on sale for a long time now, during which period it has
> hardly changed. Yet during that time, they clearly have been producing vast
> quantities of all manner of shapes and sizes of bricks which could just as
> easily be diverted to bulk supply as any other brick. If they can put black
> bricks in a packet, why not grey ones if they are also producing them? If
> they can put one type of window in a packet, why not another? There are lots
> of windows they are producing in bulk at present - but none are available as
> bulk.
>
> And it is not a website issue, that has to be trivial - adding another item
> in the ecommerce database.
>
> I can only come to the conclusion that some bright marketing guy has decided
> that those people who might be inclined to buy bulk bricks, (i.e serious
> enthusiasts) are already willing to buy multiple sets to get hold of the
> bulk they need, thus providing much more revenue to Lego than they would if
> they only bought the specific brick in bulk.
>
> I don't play that game - so consequently I dont buy anything from Lego.
>
> Despite several ascertains that the range would increase it never has. They
> have again recently said it will be increased soon. I am not holding my
> breath, and certainly not expecting too much if it is.
>
> Lawrence
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In lugnet.trains, Jared Chan writes:
> Maybe LEGO can rerelease 4554/2150 in different colours for us to choose
> from, just like what they are doing to the steam engines KT10X, KT20X,
> KT30X, KT40X.
Yeah, thats probally where the color system would have worked, or maybe they
should of tryed a SFSC Freight Unit(Blue and Yellow)
Dan
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> In lugnet.trains, Jason J. Railton writes:
> > In lugnet.trains, Tom Stangl writes:
> > Well, they've been CAST in dark grey, just not for public
> > consumption. Someone posted a MOC from Europe a copule weeks back,
> > using the dark grey low slopes gotten from a Red Letter day at Legoland,
> > from what I can remember.
> That was me, with my version of the Oakham, Rutland (UK) signal box:
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/j.j.railton/specials/greensig.jpg
Oh yeah, I'd never noticed the roof before-- really cool, Jason! I want some
of those for my interlocking tower, too! :-) :-(
-John
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Nice thought. When you examine what LEGO has been putting out recently in
its train line what do you see? My eyes see this wonderful thing called
variety. You've got Metroliner, Santa Fe (and cars for it!), the small and
large train engines with cars for them. Why not come out with two different
stations?
Yes, the 2150 and 4554 are great sets. Re-release one of them as a Legend
set? OK, sounds fine. BUT, can we get some architectural variations rather
than just color ones?
Heck, when I ride the Amtrak Surfliner between San Diego and L.A., Solana
Beach station is not the same as Irvine station (couldn't find a good photo)
is not the same as Fullerton station. One thing that has caught my eye of
all three station is the possibility that all three could be constructed
from currently available parts (bulk or other sets).
Pictures of Solana Beach station:
http://www.360360.com/stations/sol.html
Pictures of Fullerton station:
http://www.360360.com/stations/ful.html
I'm not saying those stations should be ones LEGO has to model by. Having a
station of a Victorian style and another one more contemp (NOT 4556) or a
Southwest adobe would be great. As long as they have the character of the
particular style associated with actual stations is the most important thing
to me.
Adrian Egli
http://www.scltc.org/
"Dan" <outsailing86@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:H06IoE.6LF@lugnet.com...
> After we all recieve these nice Lego cars designed by James Mathis, we are
> going to need a Train Station. To be honest, I would rather see a Station • than
> a B-unit or Steam Engine wheels. But, I don't know, what does everyone • else
> think? I also think they should have released the Engine Shed but that • never
> happened. We need a station like 2150 that doesn't display a attempt of
> "juniorization" or trying to appeal to younger markets. Maybe Lego Direct • could
> release 2150 again as a Legend.
> Hopefully, someday Trains will be as good as it once was.
> Dan
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"John Kelly 3" <jkelly3@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I always find these types of comments fascinating. It could be that LEGO
> has changed quite a bit since I was a Model Builder for them. (Well it's
> changed a lot in that most of the shop I was part of was moved off shore.)
>
> One of the common misconceptions that occurred was that as a model shop we
> had this fantastic inventory system and could get any brick we wanted in • any
> color in any quantity. Fact of the matter was that we rarely had a • complete
> selection of even the most current elements. I find that I have a more
> complete assortment of bricks in Conan's basement then I did in the model
> shop. What the model shop had in quantity was basic bricks and plates. • If
> we needed a supply of roof bricks, we'd have to order them. If we were
> lucky, they might be in inventory at the plant down the road. If they • were
> not, we'd look overseas to their inventories. If it wasn't there, we'd
> frequently redesign the model. That is how expensive it was for a Lego
> department to order a molding run done. We'd do it occasionally. It
> usually meant that we would have boxes and boxes and boxes of that
> particular element for months since the minimum production runs were • always
> greater then the number we needed.
The inventory you had available to you in the model shop is nothing to do
with the inventory of parts that Lego manufacture and that they use to put
into sets.
Clearly Lego's inventory of parts manufactured is immense, and their ability
to sort them into bags to put into sets is demonstrated.
So why they cannot sort them into bags to sell through bulk is a mystery,
and sorry, nothing to do with what the model shop has or wants.
>
> If you consider it was tough for a model shop with 15-25 full time model
> builders to justify a production run, imagine how difficult it is for a • Lego
> Direct sales forecaster. My gut assumption of how the bulk ordering works
> is that Lego Direct begs, borrows, and steals some extra time on a
> production run of an element to place in their inventory. If Lego ran • the
> gray roof bricks two years ago to handle supply for the next five years,
> then Lego Direct would be out of luck until they ran those elements again.
> No matter what your demand looked like for bulk ordering, I doubt you'd be
> able to justify the run on the element. The cost on a special production
> run to meet that demand would mean the cost would be higher than you would
> be willing to pay.
So at least sell the bricks they are currently producing.
Not asking that they maintain an inventory or production line of bricks just
for bulk.
Just that they sell the bricks they are making now, and sorting now into
some bulk packets as well.
>
> As Lego must have certainly increased their capacity in the eight years
> since I left the model shop, I'm sure finding unusual elements for model
> building is even more difficult. Frankly, based on my experience in the
> Model Shop, I didn't think Lego would ever be able to pull off bulk
> ordering. (Larry will vouch for me, when he was here back in 99,98? I
> frequently told him I didn't think it would ever happen.) You may be
> disappointed in Lego Direct's offerings, frankly I'm amazed they've been
> able to do what they have considering the amount of work that would be
> necessary to make their business work.
I am not amazed at what they have been able to do at all
I am amazed that they can't do it.
There are countless other companies who manufacture bulk products and put
them into small bags.
The world is awash with such companies.
Lego *are* such a company. It is just that they sort and then sell the bags
differently than is needed for bulk.
The fact that Lego will not sell them as bulk bags makes them the exception
in my book, not the rule.
It is just a matter of will.
And as I said, they just dont seem to have any.
Lawrence
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In lugnet.trains, Adrian Egli writes:
> Nice thought. When you examine what LEGO has been putting out recently in
> its train line what do you see? My eyes see this wonderful thing called
> variety. You've got Metroliner, Santa Fe (and cars for it!), the small and
> large train engines with cars for them.
Bear in mind that an awful lot of Lego train enthusiasts look at these and
think "Metroliner -> Amtrak -> American. Big red caboose -> American.
Santa Fe -> American. Silver carriages -> American. When are we going to
see some variety?" (or whatever that sounds like in German...)
A lot of LEGO trains in the past have been bland generic ones. I really
like the more specific designs we've seen recently, and I wish I could
afford them all. But, I think they could vary the nationality a bit now.
Time to re-iterate the call for a model of the "Mallard" perhaps?
> Why not come out with two different stations?
> Yes, the 2150 and 4554 are great sets. Re-release one of them as a Legend
> set? OK, sounds fine. BUT, can we get some architectural variations rather
> than just color ones?
Actually, I don't have either of these. One in more realistic and
especially rare colours, like tan with a dark-grey roof, would really make
my day.
> Having a station of a Victorian style and another one more contemp
> (NOT 4556) or a Southwest adobe would be great. As long as they have
> the character of the particular style associated with actual stations
> is the most important thing to me.
I wonder if a set can be designed that can be built into two radically
different designs of station? They'd both have to be the same colour
scheme, probably a common platform, but the building would just be bricks
and windows after all.
> "Dan" <outsailing86@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:H06IoE.6LF@lugnet.com...
> > Hopefully, someday Trains will be as good as it once was.
I think it's better now than it ever has been. The 9V system is far
superior to the 12V center-rail track. OK, so we're missing a power tap-off
for motorised points etc., but the current train models are much better.
Jason J Railton
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In lugnet.trains, Jason J. Railton writes:
> In lugnet.trains, Adrian Egli writes:
> > Nice thought. When you examine what LEGO has been putting out recently in
> > its train line what do you see? My eyes see this wonderful thing called
> > variety. You've got Metroliner, Santa Fe (and cars for it!), the small and
> > large train engines with cars for them.
>
> Bear in mind that an awful lot of Lego train enthusiasts look at these and
> think "Metroliner -> Amtrak -> American. Big red caboose -> American.
> Santa Fe -> American. Silver carriages -> American. When are we going to
> see some variety?" (or whatever that sounds like in German...)
>
> A lot of LEGO trains in the past have been bland generic ones. I really
> like the more specific designs we've seen recently, and I wish I could
> afford them all. But, I think they could vary the nationality a bit now.
> Time to re-iterate the call for a model of the "Mallard" perhaps?
Well, I guess to Europeans, the trains of the past have been bland and generic
(though there have been less generic models like the Crocodile). To Americans
(including Canadians), the trains have had a distinctly European flavor.
I agree though that there needs to be some new non-American models.
> > Why not come out with two different stations?
> > Yes, the 2150 and 4554 are great sets. Re-release one of them as a Legend
> > set? OK, sounds fine. BUT, can we get some architectural variations rather
> > than just color ones?
>
> Actually, I don't have either of these. One in more realistic and
> especially rare colours, like tan with a dark-grey roof, would really make
> my day.
Pink...
I agree, now that we are getting good trains, we also need some good buildings
to go with them. This would be a good opportunity for a "structures" tub which
has 2 or 3 colors (earthy would be nice, but I could accept primary colors
also), a good set of roof bricks, some plates, and a selection of doors and
windows. A bunch of minifig and detail parts would round out the selection. The
tub would also include an idea book (with some pictures showing what you could
do with 2 or more tubs).
> > Having a station of a Victorian style and another one more contemp
> > (NOT 4556) or a Southwest adobe would be great. As long as they have
> > the character of the particular style associated with actual stations
> > is the most important thing to me.
>
> I wonder if a set can be designed that can be built into two radically
> different designs of station? They'd both have to be the same colour
> scheme, probably a common platform, but the building would just be bricks
> and windows after all.
>
> > "Dan" <outsailing86@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:H06IoE.6LF@lugnet.com...
> > > Hopefully, someday Trains will be as good as it once was.
>
> I think it's better now than it ever has been. The 9V system is far
> superior to the 12V center-rail track. OK, so we're missing a power tap-off
> for motorised points etc., but the current train models are much better.
There are visual and reliability advantages of 9v, but I have been pretty
satisfied with 12v. Some of the 12v era models were pretty good (the 7740
stands up well against today's models for example - sure, it may not be as
detailed as the new Santa Fe cars, but then there also needs to be some
gradation of difficulty in building).
Frank
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Actually the bricks I had available in the model shop had everything to do
with the inventory that Lego had. Where do you think we got our bricks
from? You think that they would be unwilling to send us the elements we
wanted if they had them? The production plans for the molds were laid out
months in advance. They worked hard not to produce more of an element than
was needed, especially elements that were not common to a lot of sets.
I'm not saying Lego is doing it right in terms of manufacturing, just
letting you know how they were doing it. There just *aren't* large
storerooms of elements sitting on the shelf waiting to be bagged unless they
are real common elements. That would be poor production planning. The
elements they are selling bulk are primarily elements that they use commonly.
I've come to believe belatedly that maybe they can pull off bulk sales. I
even believe you'll see more of the roof bricks that you are looking for.
The production planning will swing around to those types of elements again
and they will make enough to get into the bags for bulk. But I would be
real suprised if they start stopping other production runs to fullfill a
niche market's demand. These machines are expensive. They not only work
hard not to have large inventories of bricks, they work hard to work the
machines 2 and 3 shifts a day at normal production levels.
You're certainly welcome to your opinion, it's just in my experience, these
large inventory of bricks waiting to be bagged just don't exist.
In lugnet.trains, Lawrence Wilkes writes:
>
> "John Kelly 3" <jkelly3@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:H07sxL.5wA@lugnet.com...
> > I always find these types of comments fascinating. It could be that LEGO
> > has changed quite a bit since I was a Model Builder for them. (Well it's
> > changed a lot in that most of the shop I was part of was moved off shore.)
> >
> > One of the common misconceptions that occurred was that as a model shop we
> > had this fantastic inventory system and could get any brick we wanted in • any
> > color in any quantity. Fact of the matter was that we rarely had a • complete
> > selection of even the most current elements. I find that I have a more
> > complete assortment of bricks in Conan's basement then I did in the model
> > shop. What the model shop had in quantity was basic bricks and plates. • If
> > we needed a supply of roof bricks, we'd have to order them. If we were
> > lucky, they might be in inventory at the plant down the road. If they • were
> > not, we'd look overseas to their inventories. If it wasn't there, we'd
> > frequently redesign the model. That is how expensive it was for a Lego
> > department to order a molding run done. We'd do it occasionally. It
> > usually meant that we would have boxes and boxes and boxes of that
> > particular element for months since the minimum production runs were • always
> > greater then the number we needed.
>
> The inventory you had available to you in the model shop is nothing to do
> with the inventory of parts that Lego manufacture and that they use to put
> into sets.
> Clearly Lego's inventory of parts manufactured is immense, and their ability
> to sort them into bags to put into sets is demonstrated.
> So why they cannot sort them into bags to sell through bulk is a mystery,
> and sorry, nothing to do with what the model shop has or wants.
>
> >
> > If you consider it was tough for a model shop with 15-25 full time model
> > builders to justify a production run, imagine how difficult it is for a • Lego
> > Direct sales forecaster. My gut assumption of how the bulk ordering works
> > is that Lego Direct begs, borrows, and steals some extra time on a
> > production run of an element to place in their inventory. If Lego ran • the
> > gray roof bricks two years ago to handle supply for the next five years,
> > then Lego Direct would be out of luck until they ran those elements again.
> > No matter what your demand looked like for bulk ordering, I doubt you'd be
> > able to justify the run on the element. The cost on a special production
> > run to meet that demand would mean the cost would be higher than you would
> > be willing to pay.
>
> So at least sell the bricks they are currently producing.
> Not asking that they maintain an inventory or production line of bricks just
> for bulk.
> Just that they sell the bricks they are making now, and sorting now into
> some bulk packets as well.
>
> >
> > As Lego must have certainly increased their capacity in the eight years
> > since I left the model shop, I'm sure finding unusual elements for model
> > building is even more difficult. Frankly, based on my experience in the
> > Model Shop, I didn't think Lego would ever be able to pull off bulk
> > ordering. (Larry will vouch for me, when he was here back in 99,98? I
> > frequently told him I didn't think it would ever happen.) You may be
> > disappointed in Lego Direct's offerings, frankly I'm amazed they've been
> > able to do what they have considering the amount of work that would be
> > necessary to make their business work.
>
>
>
> I am not amazed at what they have been able to do at all
> I am amazed that they can't do it.
> There are countless other companies who manufacture bulk products and put
> them into small bags.
> The world is awash with such companies.
> Lego *are* such a company. It is just that they sort and then sell the bags
> differently than is needed for bulk.
> The fact that Lego will not sell them as bulk bags makes them the exception
> in my book, not the rule.
> It is just a matter of will.
> And as I said, they just dont seem to have any.
>
> Lawrence
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In lugnet.trains, John Kelly III writes:
> I always find these types of comments fascinating. It could be that LEGO
> has changed quite a bit since I was a Model Builder for them. (Well it’s
> changed a lot in that most of the shop I was part of was moved off shore.)
>
> One of the common misconceptions that occurred was that as a model shop we
> had this fantastic inventory system and could get any brick we wanted in any
> color in any quantity. Fact of the matter was that we rarely had a complete
> selection of even the most current elements. I find that I have a more
> complete assortment of bricks in Conan’s basement then I did in the model
> shop. What the model shop had in quantity was basic bricks and plates. If
> we needed a supply of roof bricks, we’d have to order them. If we were
> lucky, they might be in inventory at the plant down the road. If they were
> not, we’d look overseas to their inventories. If it wasn’t there, we’d
> frequently redesign the model. That is how expensive it was for a Lego
> department to order a molding run done. We’d do it occasionally. It
> usually meant that we would have boxes and boxes and boxes of that
> particular element for months since the minimum production runs were always
> greater then the number we needed.
>
> If you consider it was tough for a model shop with 15-25 full time model
> builders to justify a production run, imagine how difficult it is for a Lego
> Direct sales forecaster.
Perhaps it is, but they made 'recently?' a whole lot of new models for the
LEGOLAND GERMANY park, so, i guess they run a whole lot more bricks than
they used for the models they build. I visited LEGOLAND WINDSOR too in the
opening year and could see in 'MINI EUROPA' that they used a lot of non
commercial colored bricks. If they can make them for there models, why can't
they, let's say, run half a day longer on the same brick/color? Molding a
floppy disk case takes 3.5 to 4 seconds(front and back side). I guess that
molding the regular bricks, and especially the little ones (plates ,technic
pins, ) doesn't take longer than molding a floppy disk case.
I recently placed a 'virtual' model on my home page from a Belgian passenger
car (perhaps also used by the österreich railroad) in ORANGE/White color.
I'm quite sure it will stay an 'virtual' model because we will never get
those pieces in those colors. If interested see :
http://www.geocities.com/ludo_soete/ and select 'Trains & Cars', then scroll
down untill the end.
Regards,
Ludo
<snip>>
>
> Thanks -
>
> -John 3
>
>
> In lugnet.trains, Lawrence Wilkes writes:
> >
> > "Jason J Railton" <j.j.railton@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> > news:H07n5n.Fn6@lugnet.com...
> > > In lugnet.trains, Tom Stangl writes:
> > > > Well, they've been CAST in dark grey, just not for public
> > > > consumption. Someone posted a MOC from Europe a copule weeks back,
> > > > using the dark grey low slopes gotten from a Red Letter day at Legoland,
> > > > from what I can remember.
<snip>
> >
> > Lawrence
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"Frank Filz" <ffilz@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:H087EE.5yI@lugnet.com...
> I agree though that there needs to be some new non-American models.
The shift from the old 9v models being loosely based on European prototypes
to the new ones being based on US prototypes is I believe due to the fact
that LD is based in US and therefore comissioning US designs.
While I'm sure the US market makes up a significant proportion of those that
buy trains, please, LD, don't forget us Europeans. Let's have some
European-styled diesels, hoppers, vans, 4 wheeled wagons, 0-4-0 shunters,
even the Mallard for Jason!
OTOH, I am more than happy to be able to get trains of any kind. I'll be
buying the Santa Fe cars, but immediately building something more UK
prototypical with them...
Huw
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Hello Jason,
> Bear in mind that an awful lot of Lego train enthusiasts look at these and
> think "Metroliner -> Amtrak -> American. Big red caboose -> American.
> Santa Fe -> American. Silver carriages -> American. When are we going to
> see some variety?" (or whatever that sounds like in German...)
With the exception of the Metroliner, this is exactly why I don't own any of
these sets. I have to admit I am tempted to get some of them just for parts,
because they do have really cool parts. But I am more into 12V anyway, even
though in terms of how the power gets into the train motor, yes, ...
> The 9V system is far superior to the 12V center-rail track.
> OK, so we're missing a power tap-off for motorised points etc.,
Lots of "etc", to be precise; Signals, decouplers, remote controlled level
crossings. And of course some stuff that didn't exist back in the 80s as
well ...
> but the current train models are much better.
Better than a 7740? Well, not according to my taste ...
Greetings
Horst
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> In lugnet.trains, Huw Millington writes:
> While I'm sure the US market makes up a significant proportion of those that
> buy trains, please, LD, don't forget us Europeans. Let's have some
> European-styled diesels, hoppers, vans, 4 wheeled wagons, 0-4-0 shunters,
> even the Mallard for Jason!
A great way for TLC to get their foot in the door WRT to European trains would
be to get a licensing agreement with Britt Allcroft and produce some Thomas
trains. Since they are all based upon prototypes anyway, I would think that
we'd all come out winners-- TLC gets a slam-dunk seller of a line, and we get
new parts for Euro-trains or whatever.
(Brad, this is your quarterly reminder to pursue a Thomas license agreement:)
-John
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In lugnet.trains, John Neal writes:
> > In lugnet.trains, Huw Millington writes:
>
> > While I'm sure the US market makes up a significant proportion of those that
> > buy trains, please, LD, don't forget us Europeans. Let's have some
> > European-styled diesels, hoppers, vans, 4 wheeled wagons, 0-4-0 shunters,
> > even the Mallard for Jason!
well, color me confused, don't we already have all that in 4563 and 4564?
Just dust those off and reissue them (in different colors perhaps)!
> A great way for TLC to get their foot in the door WRT to European trains would
> be to get a licensing agreement with Britt Allcroft and produce some Thomas
> trains.
But ya, everyone needs a Thomas.
> (Brad, this is your quarterly reminder to pursue a Thomas license agreement:)
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I would love to see an Orient Express! But seriously, the "Americanization"
of the trains has got me as well. A revised 7745 TGV (fell in love when I
first saw it in '85) using more current parts or something really new as an
ICE would certainly attract the attention of both sides.
BTW, isn't about time they dumped the 4561 Railway Express anyway??
Adrian Egli
http://www.scltc.org/
"Huw Millington" <hmillington@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:H08G9C.CCn@lugnet.com...
>
> "Frank Filz" <ffilz@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:H087EE.5yI@lugnet.com...
>
> > I agree though that there needs to be some new non-American models.
>
> The shift from the old 9v models being loosely based on European • prototypes
> to the new ones being based on US prototypes is I believe due to the fact
> that LD is based in US and therefore comissioning US designs.
>
> While I'm sure the US market makes up a significant proportion of those • that
> buy trains, please, LD, don't forget us Europeans. Let's have some
> European-styled diesels, hoppers, vans, 4 wheeled wagons, 0-4-0 shunters,
> even the Mallard for Jason!
>
> OTOH, I am more than happy to be able to get trains of any kind. I'll be
> buying the Santa Fe cars, but immediately building something more UK
> prototypical with them...
>
> Huw
>
>
>
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In lugnet.trains, Adrian Egli writes:
>
> BTW, isn't about time they dumped the 4561 Railway Express anyway??
I think the 4561 still serves a purpose as an entry level set. It's the only
train set that you can get and run right out of the box. So I think it will
stay around.
jt
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In lugnet.trains, Thomas Stangl writes:
> But release 2150 with a DARK GREY roof, and maybe light grey bricks for the walls.
> Or sand blue. Or Maersk blue ;-)
Nah, Sand Red roof and Chrome Green bricks :-)
To move this on topic, pictures of the Goose #6 will be submitted tonight to
Brickshelf.
Paul Sinasohn
LUGNET #115
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> > Nice thought. When you examine what LEGO has been putting out recently in
> > its train line what do you see? My eyes see this wonderful thing called
> > variety. You've got Metroliner, Santa Fe (and cars for it!), the small and
> > large train engines with cars for them.
>
> Bear in mind that an awful lot of Lego train enthusiasts look at these and
> think "Metroliner -> Amtrak -> American. Big red caboose -> American.
> Santa Fe -> American. Silver carriages -> American. When are we going to
> see some variety?" (or whatever that sounds like in German...)
>
> A lot of LEGO trains in the past have been bland generic ones. I really
> like the more specific designs we've seen recently, and I wish I could
> afford them all. But, I think they could vary the nationality a bit now.
> Time to re-iterate the call for a model of the "Mallard" perhaps?
The other night I was looking through a curent Marklin catalog and something
occured to me...the shape of the front/rear ends of current Euro freight
engines is just about identical to the shape of the canopy on Jango Fett's
ship, all it would take for TLG (or anyone else for that matter) to build
one would be a little paintwork to outline the windscreen and side
windows...hmmmm.
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Honestly, I couldn't tell you. I was in the American model shop in Enfield
and we had constraints that the model shop in Billund did not have.
(Windsor Locks was just opening in my time and the Billund shop was handling
their models.) We were not allowed to use any non-line elements.
As to the modeling I know that it is quick, the bricks come fairly quickly
off the line when I would tour. My assumption would be that they store a
reasonable amount of the non-line elements. You will notice that the
non-line stuff is almost always basic elements.
BTW.. The coolest bricks are the ones you will never see. When they change
colors in the molds, there are few bricks that are a swirling mix of the two
colors.
-john
In lugnet.trains, Ludo Soete writes:
> In lugnet.trains, John Kelly III writes:
> > I always find these types of comments fascinating. It could be that LEGO
> > has changed quite a bit since I was a Model Builder for them. (Well it’s
> > changed a lot in that most of the shop I was part of was moved off shore.)
> >
> > One of the common misconceptions that occurred was that as a model shop we
> > had this fantastic inventory system and could get any brick we wanted in any
> > color in any quantity. Fact of the matter was that we rarely had a complete
> > selection of even the most current elements. I find that I have a more
> > complete assortment of bricks in Conan’s basement then I did in the model
> > shop. What the model shop had in quantity was basic bricks and plates. If
> > we needed a supply of roof bricks, we’d have to order them. If we were
> > lucky, they might be in inventory at the plant down the road. If they were
> > not, we’d look overseas to their inventories. If it wasn’t there, we’d
> > frequently redesign the model. That is how expensive it was for a Lego
> > department to order a molding run done. We’d do it occasionally. It
> > usually meant that we would have boxes and boxes and boxes of that
> > particular element for months since the minimum production runs were always
> > greater then the number we needed.
> >
> > If you consider it was tough for a model shop with 15-25 full time model
> > builders to justify a production run, imagine how difficult it is for a Lego
> > Direct sales forecaster.
>
> Perhaps it is, but they made 'recently?' a whole lot of new models for the
> LEGOLAND GERMANY park, so, i guess they run a whole lot more bricks than
> they used for the models they build. I visited LEGOLAND WINDSOR too in the
> opening year and could see in 'MINI EUROPA' that they used a lot of non
> commercial colored bricks. If they can make them for there models, why can't
> they, let's say, run half a day longer on the same brick/color? Molding a
> floppy disk case takes 3.5 to 4 seconds(front and back side). I guess that
> molding the regular bricks, and especially the little ones (plates ,technic
> pins, ) doesn't take longer than molding a floppy disk case.
>
> I recently placed a 'virtual' model on my home page from a Belgian passenger
> car (perhaps also used by the österreich railroad) in ORANGE/White color.
> I'm quite sure it will stay an 'virtual' model because we will never get
> those pieces in those colors. If interested see :
> http://www.geocities.com/ludo_soete/ and select 'Trains & Cars', then scroll
> down untill the end.
>
> Regards,
> Ludo
>
>
> <snip>>
> >
> > Thanks -
> >
> > -John 3
> >
> >
> > In lugnet.trains, Lawrence Wilkes writes:
> > >
> > > "Jason J Railton" <j.j.railton@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> > > news:H07n5n.Fn6@lugnet.com...
> > > > In lugnet.trains, Tom Stangl writes:
> > > > > Well, they've been CAST in dark grey, just not for public
> > > > > consumption. Someone posted a MOC from Europe a copule weeks back,
> > > > > using the dark grey low slopes gotten from a Red Letter day at Legoland,
> > > > > from what I can remember.
>
> <snip>
> > >
> > > Lawrence
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"Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message
news:H08J4H.oG@lugnet.com...
> well, color me confused, don't we already have all that in 4563 and 4564?
> Just dust those off and reissue them (in different colors perhaps)!
That's exactly what I want to see, yes we *did* have them, but no more...
Huw
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We need a new train set in the shops not just from LEGO direct so that
ordinary children see them and buy them. Lego trains should not just be for
those with internet access.
It should be based on a real train.
David
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In lugnet.trains, Horst Lehner writes:
> Hello Jason,
<snip>
>
> > The 9V system is far superior to the 12V center-rail track.
>
> > OK, so we're missing a power tap-off for motorised points etc.,
I'm also missing the possibility to tap-off current from the train wheels.
When this is possible, then we can add lights (LED's)in our passenger /
freight cars. Just thinking on the red light that you find back on the last
freight car to note the end of the train. You find this also back on
passenger cars.
> Lots of "etc", to be precise; Signals, decouplers, remote controlled level
> crossings. And of course some stuff that didn't exist back in the 80s as
> well ...
>
> > but the current train models are much better.
>
> Better than a 7740? Well, not according to my taste ...
Make the needed parts available through bulk parts (yellow train windows in
1*2*3 [http://guide.lugnet.com/partsref/search.cgi?q=4035] with apropriate
glass [http://guide.lugnet.com/partsref/search.cgi?q=4036] and
1*4*3 [http://guide.lugnet.com/partsref/search.cgi?q=4033]with apropriate
glass [http://guide.lugnet.com/partsref/search.cgi?q=4034] and yellow train
doors) and we'll get a lot closer to our goal. The train base plates are
alreddy available as bulk part (3737).
Regards,
Ludo Soete
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In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.trains, John Neal writes:
> > > In lugnet.trains, Huw Millington writes:
> >
> > > While I'm sure the US market makes up a significant proportion of those that
> > > buy trains, please, LD, don't forget us Europeans. Let's have some
> > > European-styled diesels, hoppers, vans, 4 wheeled wagons, 0-4-0 shunters,
> > > even the Mallard for Jason!
>
> well, color me confused, don't we already have all that in 4563 and 4564?
> Just dust those off and reissue them (in different colors perhaps)!
>
> > A great way for TLC to get their foot in the door WRT to European trains would
> > be to get a licensing agreement with Britt Allcroft and produce some Thomas
> > trains.
>
> But ya, everyone needs a Thomas.
>
> > (Brad, this is your quarterly reminder to pursue a Thomas license agreement:)
Tell you what Larry, I'll colour you bright red, yellow and blue and see if
that helps clear things up! :-)
I guess these have all looked European in the past. The "DB" stickers
didn't help matters. Being British though, they look as foreign to me as
they do to you! To me the 9V trains were never recognisable models, and
were always in such bright childish colours. Several of the 12V ones were
OK, but the part selections have severely dated many of the designs.
I wouldn't mind a 4564, with some wagons in decent colours. The MOT series
look good (notice how I blank out the caboose for this generalisation) but
the wagons in these two sets (4563, 4564) are awful. I've got a 4563 and
all I use from it are the wheels! Come to think of it, it's not more sets
that we need but more separate engines, wagons and accessories. I'd buy the
engine from the 4564, but not the whole set.
How about bringing back <set:4549> then? I'd love one in the original
colours. Obviously It'd have to come with an alternative build for a single
level with two containers for us foreigners...
The thought of a Thomas license is frightening though. I'd much rather have
the real engines. Maybe Hornby stitched up an exclusive deal...
Let me correct that - if it sells trains (like, duh!) then do it. Just
don't divert all the effort into it. This wouldn't be a Lego Direct project
though, and I doubt the license is available for powered trains anyway.
Jason J Railton
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In lugnet.trains, John Kelly III writes:
>
> BTW.. The coolest bricks are the ones you will never see. When they change
> colors in the molds, there are few bricks that are a swirling mix of the two
> colors.
>
> -john
Well, I have a couple dozen assorted 'swirly' bricks.... They are kept very
securely locked up.
Paul Sinasohn
LUGNET #115
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In lugnet.trains, John Kelly III writes:
> BTW.. The coolest bricks are the ones you will never see. When they change
> colors in the molds, there are few bricks that are a swirling mix of the two
> colors.
>
> -john
Actually I have some of those, I found them inside of the sculptures that we
rescued (http://news.lugnet.com/trains/org/?n=1966), They're kind of a funny
brown gray color with lots of swirls. These were used as structural supports
inside of the sculptures. While repairing the models I removed some of these
cool bricks an replaced them with standard colored bricks.
jt
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James Trobaugh
North Georgia LEGO Train Club
http://www.ngltc.org
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You both have something that I tried for two years in the model shop to get
my hands on to no avail. *grin* Congrats! Best I could do was some of the
hand molded new elements that they used to prototype new model designs.
-john 3
In lugnet.trains, James Trobaugh writes:
> In lugnet.trains, John Kelly III writes:
> > BTW.. The coolest bricks are the ones you will never see. When they change
> > colors in the molds, there are few bricks that are a swirling mix of the two
> > colors.
> >
> > -john
>
> Actually I have some of those, I found them inside of the sculptures that we
> rescued (http://news.lugnet.com/trains/org/?n=1966), They're kind of a funny
> brown gray color with lots of swirls. These were used as structural supports
> inside of the sculptures. While repairing the models I removed some of these
> cool bricks an replaced them with standard colored bricks.
>
> jt
>
> ---------------
> James Trobaugh
> North Georgia LEGO Train Club
> http://www.ngltc.org
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Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> In lugnet.trains, John Neal writes:
>
> > > In lugnet.trains, Huw Millington writes:
> >
> > > While I'm sure the US market makes up a significant proportion of those that
> > > buy trains, please, LD, don't forget us Europeans. Let's have some
> > > European-styled diesels, hoppers, vans, 4 wheeled wagons, 0-4-0 shunters,
> > > even the Mallard for Jason!
>
>
> well, color me confused, don't we already have all that in 4563 and 4564?
> Just dust those off and reissue them (in different colors perhaps)!
4563 : loco doesn't look much German/Dutch to me... maybe French, but
then the colors wouldn't be right. The red closed freight car is OK-ish,
the rest is pretty much simplified
4564 : loco is pretty decent, bit like the MaK diesel range. Again, most
of the freight cars look quite poor. A re-release of just the diesel
would be nice.
I liked quite a few things about the 4565 diesel, althouth without the
doors it looked a bit juniorized to me.
To me, most of the 12v designs resembe the European rolling stock
best... 7755 and 7760 are still my favorite diesel engines.
LEGO could easily do something like a German class 141 or 110 or 111.
Easy to do, TONS of varieties in color and with a few different bricks
you'd even be able to do a 150/151 (with some concessions, but I doubt
many would really be upset) Also quite nice would be the French
7200/15000 class, with the special nose design by Paul Arzens (which
would mean us dutchies could easily build our class 1600 and 1100 :D )
--
Jan-Albert van Ree
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In lugnet.trains, John Kelly III writes:
> You both have something that I tried for two years in the model shop to get
> my hands on to no avail. *grin* Congrats! Best I could do was some of the
> hand molded new elements that they used to prototype new model designs.
>
> -john 3
Pocketses, my precious-sssssssss, Pocketses!!
The secret to successful snarfing is lots of Pocketses.
Gollum
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In lugnet.trains, Jan-Albert van Ree writes:
> Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> > In lugnet.trains, John Neal writes:
> >
> > > > In lugnet.trains, Huw Millington writes:
> > >
> > > > While I'm sure the US market makes up a significant proportion of those that
> > > > buy trains, please, LD, don't forget us Europeans. Let's have some
> > > > European-styled diesels, hoppers, vans, 4 wheeled wagons, 0-4-0 shunters,
> > > > even the Mallard for Jason!
> >
> >
> > well, color me confused, don't we already have all that in 4563 and 4564?
> > Just dust those off and reissue them (in different colors perhaps)!
>
> 4563 : loco doesn't look much German/Dutch to me... maybe French, but
> then the colors wouldn't be right. The red closed freight car is OK-ish,
> the rest is pretty much simplified
>
> 4564 : loco is pretty decent, bit like the MaK diesel range. Again, most
> of the freight cars look quite poor. A re-release of just the diesel
> would be nice.
>
> I liked quite a few things about the 4565 diesel, althouth without the
> doors it looked a bit juniorized to me.
>
> To me, most of the 12v designs resembe the European rolling stock
> best... 7755 and 7760 are still my favorite diesel engines.
>
> LEGO could easily do something like a German class 141 or 110 or 111.
> Easy to do, TONS of varieties in color and with a few different bricks
> you'd even be able to do a 150/151 (with some concessions, but I doubt
> many would really be upset) Also quite nice would be the French
> 7200/15000 class, with the special nose design by Paul Arzens (which
> would mean us dutchies could easily build our class 1600 and 1100 :D )
OK, OK... you guys convinced me. The stuff I perceive as european is no more
authentic (to european prototypes) than the stuff you perceive as american
is (authentic to american prototypes, that is).
But parts is parts. We. are. not. the. target. market. and we can build our
own.
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Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> But parts is parts. We. are. not. the. target. market. and we can build our
> own.
Like I posted before in various threads I agree we are not the target
market. Maybe if you have the finances to buy tons of sets just to get a
few parts you need you can build whatever you like, most of us probably
can't. And even then, some stuff is simply impossible to get at all anymore.
To improve things, I'd love to see train windows/doors in more colors
such as red, yellow and black (and the return of the 2*3 train window)
as well as train roof bricks in bulk. If LEGO can do that, I'd be
halfway there indeed.
--
Jan-Albert van Ree
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I dropped the Lego Direct group.
LOL
Man, I tried. Actually I had such a mess of things when I quit as a Model
Builder they just let me take home 2 K8s of bricks rather than have to sort
through them.
-john
In lugnet.trains, Paul Sinasohn writes:
> In lugnet.trains, John Kelly III writes:
> > You both have something that I tried for two years in the model shop to get
> > my hands on to no avail. *grin* Congrats! Best I could do was some of the
> > hand molded new elements that they used to prototype new model designs.
> >
> > -john 3
>
>
> Pocketses, my precious-sssssssss, Pocketses!!
>
> The secret to successful snarfing is lots of Pocketses.
>
> Gollum
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Thats a nice truck JT. I especially like the personalized plate!
-Rob
"James J. Trobaugh" <james@ngltc.org> wrote in message
news:H0BnwF.n0C@lugnet.com...
> In lugnet.trains, John Kelly III writes:
> > BTW.. The coolest bricks are the ones you will never see. When they • change
> > colors in the molds, there are few bricks that are a swirling mix of the • two
> > colors.
> >
> > -john
>
> Actually I have some of those, I found them inside of the sculptures that • we
> rescued (http://news.lugnet.com/trains/org/?n=1966), They're kind of a • funny
> brown gray color with lots of swirls. These were used as structural • supports
> inside of the sculptures. While repairing the models I removed some of • these
> cool bricks an replaced them with standard colored bricks.
>
> jt
>
> ---------------
> James Trobaugh
> North Georgia LEGO Train Club
> http://www.ngltc.org
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Thanks Rob, I bought it just for hauling LEGO, my wife was tired of me
taking her van every month for train shows.
jt
In lugnet.trains, Rob Hendrix writes:
> Thats a nice truck JT. I especially like the personalized plate!
>
> -Rob
>
> "James J. Trobaugh" <james@ngltc.org> wrote in message
> news:H0BnwF.n0C@lugnet.com...
> > In lugnet.trains, John Kelly III writes:
> > > BTW.. The coolest bricks are the ones you will never see. When they • change
> > > colors in the molds, there are few bricks that are a swirling mix of the • two
> > > colors.
> > >
> > > -john
> >
> > Actually I have some of those, I found them inside of the sculptures that • we
> > rescued (http://news.lugnet.com/trains/org/?n=1966), They're kind of a • funny
> > brown gray color with lots of swirls. These were used as structural • supports
> > inside of the sculptures. While repairing the models I removed some of • these
> > cool bricks an replaced them with standard colored bricks.
> >
> > jt
> >
> > ---------------
> > James Trobaugh
> > North Georgia LEGO Train Club
> > http://www.ngltc.org
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I just bought an 2003 Toyota Matrix for the same reason. I call it "hers"
and let her drive it, but it hauls Lego really well!
Rob
"James J. Trobaugh" <james@ngltc.org> wrote in message
news:H0DDCo.B8y@lugnet.com...
> Thanks Rob, I bought it just for hauling LEGO, my wife was tired of me
> taking her van every month for train shows.
>
> jt
>
> In lugnet.trains, Rob Hendrix writes:
> > Thats a nice truck JT. I especially like the personalized plate!
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> > "James J. Trobaugh" <james@ngltc.org> wrote in message
> > news:H0BnwF.n0C@lugnet.com...
> > > In lugnet.trains, John Kelly III writes:
> > > > BTW.. The coolest bricks are the ones you will never see. When they • change
> > > > colors in the molds, there are few bricks that are a swirling mix of • the
> > two
> > > > colors.
> > > >
> > > > -john
> > >
> > > Actually I have some of those, I found them inside of the sculptures • that
> > we
> > > rescued (http://news.lugnet.com/trains/org/?n=1966), They're kind of a • funny
> > > brown gray color with lots of swirls. These were used as structural • supports
> > > inside of the sculptures. While repairing the models I removed some of • these
> > > cool bricks an replaced them with standard colored bricks.
> > >
> > > jt
> > >
> > > ---------------
> > > James Trobaugh
> > > North Georgia LEGO Train Club
> > > http://www.ngltc.org
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