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Update: Universal colors - beginnings — Jake McKee
Many people have asked what colors are currently considered "universal" or locked. This means that these colors will almost certainly never be changed. Universal colors are colors that we consider to be untouchable for change. While the final list (...) (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, lugnet.announce) !!

	Re: Update: Universal colors - beginnings —Ted Michon
	(...) red green blue yellow white black new light gray new dark gray new brown Funny thing: Remove the 3 new colors, add back the 3 old colors plus tan (I'm indifferent to tan, but I know a lot of people love it) and I would bet 9 out of 10 of us (...) (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, FTX)

		Re: Update: Universal colors - beginnings —Thomas Stangl
		Agreed. This list blows chunks due to the last 3 listings. Replace "new" with "old", and it's Golden. (...) -- Tom Stangl (URL) Visual FAQ home (URL) Visual FAQ Home (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)

			Re: Update: Universal colors - beginnings —Wesley Davis
			I love tan, and the "sand" colors. Tan, at least, needs to be around forever. I'd like to see chrome gold universalized, too. Imagine a 6285 Black Seas Barracuda with all the yellow replaced with chrome gold. That is bliss. (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)

	Re: Update: Universal colors - beginnings —Ronald Borchert
	(...) ... Hi, and at the purple colour you have to think about a little more, how the exact colour has to look like, hmm? What other colours will you try in a wild mix in one set like the HP-bus? Maybe some sorts of tan in the next starwars-set? Or (...) (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)

	Re: Update: Universal colors - beginnings —Jindrich Kubec
	(...) I wondered about some numbers, so I consulted Peeron: Those named above are 9 most used colours (minus the 'new' word, of course). These account for 91% percents of parts used in all sets. Original Gray is #2 (15.4%), DkGray #7 (3.9%), Brown (...) (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)

	LEGO sucks! —Dirk Meier
	Jake, please, please shut up! Do you believe what you are writing? We don`t need your way of community development. I give you a good hint: Look for another job! We don`t trust in any word from you nor TLC. Tomorrow white will die, then red, (...) (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)

		Re: LEGO sucks! —Orion Pobursky
		(...) Dirk, I think this post was rude and uncalled for. How would you like to be called useless? I sure wouldn't. You basically just called Jake a moron. Whether or not you agree with the TLC's decision does not give you the right to have a nasty (...) (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)

		Re: LEGO sucks! —Bruce Schlickbernd
		(...) I don't care for the color change - they should have thought about backwards compatiblity and inviolate colors before they made the change. If they had, I really doubt they would have be having this discussion. That they won't change back is (...) (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)

		Re: LEGO sucks! —Bryan Wong
		(...) I really hope someone hacked into your system and wrote this message. I would be really embarassed to be associated with a hobby in which fans speak with such lack of class and civility. If this is the way AFOLs behave (and I stress the A for (...) (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, FTX)

		Re: LEGO sucks! —Richard Morton
		"Dirk Meier" <dirk.meier@surfeu.de> wrote in message news:HxB097.1A8r@lugnet.com... (...) Okay - timeout. Really. There is absolutely no need for that. Whatever the AFOLs concerns are with new colors, there is absolutely no need for that. Just (...) (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)

		Re: LEGO sucks! —Jeff Findley
		I don't believe your ranting is serving any useful purpose. I personally think that Jake is doing everything he can to help. That's a [hard] thing to do. When you're in customer support, it's a very difficult thing to keep certain customers happy (...) (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)

		Re: LEGO sucks! —Dirk Meier
		Hi, get me right: Jake tries his best - I know, but I cannot imagine he is really believing what he is writing. Then he could not be an AFOL. For him it must be frustrating. So this was my intention to give him the hint to look for a new job. No one (...) (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)

			Re: LEGO sucks! —Jeff Findley
			(...) Jake has said many times that he doesn't lie to the AFOL community. (...) Have you had business dealings with "far east" cultures like the Japanese? If you ask them to do something, and they aren't going to do it, they don't tell you "No" at (...) (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)

				Re: LEGO sucks! —David Laswell
				(...) A friend of mine is in a teaching program in Japan, and he's been commenting on some of the more odd instances of culture shock. One of the most interesting ones was finding out that some of the local residents will just cut in line whenever (...) (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)

			Re: LEGO sucks! —Thomas Avery
			(...) I think Jake is honest with us and passes along any information that is important to the community, whether good or bad. I'm sure he believes it. (...) Well, let's put this into perspective. LEGO is a hobby to most of us. We usually can't make (...) (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)

			Re: LEGO sucks! —J. Spencer Rezkalla
			(...) It's unfortunate that you are unable to adapt your hobby to these changes. I've been eyeing some of my mocs that I actually want to change over to the new colors to improve them. The added bonus is this will free up some of the older colors (...) (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)

			Re: LEGO sucks! —Ralph Döring
			(...) Schnipp (...) Hey, speak for yourself ! I can say what I think and do it in a civilized manner (at least I hope my english is good enough ;) I am also not annoyed. I do like the new colors for my space-junk-mocs but I'll also miss the old (...) (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, FTX)

		Re: LEGO sucks! —Kevin L. Clague
		(...) Dirk, Are you sure your an adult fan of LEGO? I don't doubt the "fan of LEGO" part, but I do seriously question the adult part. Are you saying you are more loyal than me? I'm sure not going anywhere. More colors mean more options. I invite (...) (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)

			Hibernation —Dirk Meier
			Hi Kevin, I like your direct style! Yes I am an adult, and I'm mature. But no longer a fan of LEGO. It was not my intention to annoy any AFOL! Sorry, if this was a result of my postings! Then it even would have been better not to write a single (...) (20 years ago, 7-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)

				Re: Hibernation —Kevin L. Clague
				(...) Thanks Dirk. Enjoy your hibernation and I hope you find your new hobby relaxing, enjoyable and stress free. Kevin (20 years ago, 7-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)

	Re: Update: Universal colors - beginnings —Jeff Findley
	(...) What broad sided the AFOL community was the fact that I'm sure everyone here assumed that all of these colors were fixed (including the old grays and brown). Grays and browns have been around seemingly forever. It's crushing to know that those (...) (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)

	Customer Relations - Endings —Christian Treczoks
	(...) "almost certainly" - There is the wiggle-room again. To be trustworthy one has to be reliable. TLC is neither (anymore). It is sad to see a good company go. (...) Until? (...) good: Someone though about including green. bad: the new colours (...) (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)

	Re: Update: Universal colors - beginnings —Ley Ward
	(...) What kind of club leaves out members with long standing and a proven track record in favour of some 'wannabe upstarts' with no standing in the community? It amounts to identity theft. The new colours do not belong in the club. Peace and (...) (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, FTX)

	Re: Update: Universal colors - beginnings —Alfred Speredelozzi
	(...) I know some people are still thinking this is bad news, but I disagree. Thanks for providing this list to us, Jake. Of all the news you have given, I think this may be the most healing. Now we can look forward to some degree of stability (...) (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)

		Re: Update: Universal colors - beginnings —David Laswell
		(...) You think so? In my own comparisons, I've found that there are only five opaque colors that really go well with dark-bley (not counting light-bley and light-light-bley, of course), which are black, dark-blue, sand-blue, sand-green, and (...) (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)

			Re: Update: Universal colors - beginnings —Alfred Speredelozzi
			(...) Of course, at some level, its a matter of opinion, so maybe I am in the minority. However, I have heard discussion from people who seem to be a lot more interested in colors than I, that the sand colors were mixes of the base color and (...) (20 years ago, 7-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)

				Re: Update: Universal colors - beginnings —David Laswell
				(...) If that's true, it would still mean that the three sand-colors I cited are mixes of grey and a color from the cool end of the spectrum, much like the bleys. I actually held dark-bley up against all three of those colors just to confirm that (...) (20 years ago, 7-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)

	Re: Update: Universal colors - beginnings —Jeff Shiner
	(...) Jake, Would it be possible to poll the Lego community on what other colours should be included in the universal list. Perhaps if you get enough feedback regarding certain colours (like tan --- please keep tan) that might influence your (...) (20 years ago, 7-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)

	Re: Update: Universal colors - beginnings —Ray Sanders
	(...) Jake, Thanks for the update. Curiously absent from the list are any/all of the transparent colors. Hopefully some of those (t-white/clear, t-yellow, t-green, t-red) will be included in the additions to the list. Ray Sanders lugnet # 124 (20 years ago, 7-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)

	Re: Update: Universal colors - beginnings —Aaron West
	(...) Edited with extreme limitations! Thank you senior fan, previous employee, inner circle contact and virtual Train-head, Jake. Okay, I can see a trend starting here with everybody's message replies, but I have to add 2 cents also. I LOVE the (...) (20 years ago, 7-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)

		Re: Update: Universal colors - beginnings —Thomas Garrison
		(...) It was in both 4475 and 10124. (URL) TWS Garrison (URL) capital letters in address for direct reply. (20 years ago, 7-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)

	Re: Update: Universal colors - beginnings —Roy Gal
	Jake, I made the following suggestion in a separate thread ((URL)), but just for completeness I'll post it in this too-long thread as well: Don't change any more colors, period. There are already tons of colors, and TLC seems to be adding more every (...) (20 years ago, 7-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego, FTX)

	Re: Update: Universal colors - beginnings —Steven Coallier
	[snip] (...) ...unless some marketing yahoo decides you shouldn't be on the list, in which case you can be removed from the list. Seriously Jake...I think even using the term "locked" is ludicrous. {smile} A wise man once almost said "The more (...) (20 years ago, 10-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)