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Re: October 31st - Picture of the Day
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Fri, 1 Nov 2002 00:51:00 GMT
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In lugnet.castle, Erik Olson writes:
> For a real cloak-and-dagger story, go back 2-3 centuries to Siger of Brabant
> and William of Ockham:
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> Siger successfully defied the eccesiastical authorities in Paris for years
> until he was finally silenced in 1277. He got the dagger from his own
> secretary about 1281. Siger was a radical in the development of logic and
> science.
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> William Ockham, called "the First Protestant", was summoned by the Pope (the
> one at Avignon) in 1329 and accused of heresy after four years of waiting.
> Ockham fled the Pope's henchmen by night and reached safety in Bavaria.
> (Think of this as the cloak part of this story.)
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> Ockham's chief trouble had to do with suggesting the Universe was older than
> God, but he is remembered today for trying to pare down silly arguments.
Wasn't William of Ockham mentioned in Umberto Eco's novel "The name of the
Rose"? The secondary action is around a theological debate about heretic
beliefs (*), and I suppose he's one of debators.
(In any case, that is one fine book for understanding some of the medieval
Church history/philosophy)
Countless other victims of the Inquisition were condemned for attempting
some sort of Reform...
However, not all of them were on the same side of the spectre (yes, the
Church did condemn people for fanaticism as well!). Geronimo Savonarola ran
Florence as a teocracy for a while, but became too annoying for the
hierarchy and went to the stake...
Funny how few people know that there were also attempts to reform the Church
*the other way* :-)
Pedro
(*) - among such beliefs is the Franciscan statement that Christ did not own
anything... again, Church income is the focus of doctrinal contestation
(like Luther and the Indulgences).
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