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| | | (...) Jake, I really like the set, and I'm always happy to have another train model to add to my collection, particularly modern frieght. But if I'm not mistaken a prototypical consist of these cars is either 3 or 5 at a time. So are there enough (...) (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —John Neal
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| | | | | (...) Don't forget the single well car! Interestingly, whether at 1 or 3 or 5 wells, they are each considered one car. JOHN (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Mathew Clayson
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| | | | | | (...) Right, the wieght and rolling savings aside, it's also cheaper to pay for 1 cor to roll on someone elses line then it is for 3 or 5. Mat (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | (...) I believe that different car classes have different freight rates (just like they have different dunnage charges when they're empty)... a 5 well will be a different class than a 1 well. (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Mark Riley
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| | | | | | (...) Forgive the mundaneness of this question, but why the odd number of wells? How come 2 and 4 well cars aren't seen as often (or at all)? I see a lot of these cars come and go in the yards near me, I'll have to start counting the number of (...) (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview — Jake McKee
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| | | | (...) You are correct, sir. Typically these are configed in 1, 3, and 5 car consists. (Yes, I've seen one car running standalone on occasion, but not often) Honestly, this came down to a design decision on why we went with two cars. Three would have (...) (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Jason J. Railton
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| | | | | (...) I think what Matthew was asking was, is it possible to buy multiple sets and chain them together, or aren't there enough parts to make more mid-cars and mid-bogies? Jason R (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) It seems to me that 2 sets would allow one to build one 3 well car and 1 single well car, and that 3 sets would allow you to build one 5 well car and 1 single well car (in both cases with parts left over). JOHN (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) Wheels wise, sure. But unless we know how the pivots are designed, maybe not. (for example if I had kitted out my articulated design and made it a 2 unit car, you wouldn't have enough parts with 3 copies to make a 5 unit car as you'd only have (...) (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek wrote: (snip idle speculation) And that reminds me, I wonder if a 5 unit version of this car will have the same minor problem mine does (and that many TGV and Talgo models do as well)? It tends to come loose at the (...) (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | | (...) Yeah it will be interesting to see how that goes. From this pic it seems the axle will only protrude about 2 plates or less into the decking, uneven tracks may well work it loose. (URL) ROSCO (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Jason J. Railton
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| | | | | | | | (...) I was wondering if you could substitute an axle pin for that 2-stud axle, to get a little more grip, but it looks like the plates above are two 2x4 technic plates in a T-arrangement. So, there's no way the pin could click in place. As it's (...) (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) Long time readers may recall my repeated ranting against using stacked technic plates for the receivers of the pin on bogie plates. Same issue here, in my view. Apparently the design may possibly have room for improvement. Having the trucks (...) (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Bryan Kinkel
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| | | | | | | | | (...) technic (...) What is a better approach? Can you provide a link? -- Bryan "Larry Pieniazek" <larry.(mylastname)@...e.DOT.com> wrote in message news:IFyz9B.1sDD@lugnet.com... (...) seems the (...) (URL) >> (URL) (...) axle, to (...) click in (...) (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Only use one plate, and leave the second (upper) layer hollow so the pin can move up and down vertically and also move a bit out of the vertical axis. This helps with track conformance when the track is uneven. Note that if you use LEGO's (...) (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Bryan Kinkel
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| | | | | | | | | | Ah. The single plate approach is what I use as well for my custom cars. On first read, I thought you are advocating not using Technic plates at all. And I was trying to figure out what else could possibly be used (besides wagon plates.) My mistake. (...) (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) whew! (...) Na, I like them. (...) One other thing I have toyed with is using a 1x2 technic brick, sideways. There is just enough of a cut in shoulder there that the pin doesn't bind the way it does in two plates. However it doesn't allow that (...) (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Samarth Moray
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) <Shameless Self-Plug> I'm doing the same thing with my newest under-construction diesel: (URL) This image is a bit outdated although it gives you an idea why I did so. I may/may not put pics of the updated version. It's all classified at the (...) (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Mathew Clayson
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I used this part to atach a 9v train motor to a train baseplate, with the motor centered on the wire hole. I wanted the motor closer to the center for a My Train steam engine. Mat (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I have used both 2x2 and 4x4 turntables to attach bogies. The 2x2 allows for a good amount of movement from the vertical, but is a pig to re-attach the bogies if they come off. The 4x4 allows very little such movement, but as the MOC in (...) (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Samarth Moray
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Random thought: Has anyone tried using Bionicle-style ball-and-socket joints as bogie attachments? My guess is that they would have enough friction to keep the stock from tilting over yet have the articulation to handle track unevenness as (...) (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I can tell you that that probably is the best approach, especially when dealing with this sort of train car. My 5 well Huskey Stack: (URL) is a bear to set up, because I have to find the couplings blindly (2x2 turntables). Since it's been (...) (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Christopher Masi
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| | | | | | | | (...) [snip] (...) But it is prototypical, isn't it :?) Chris (19 years ago, 5-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) Oh, very much so! Even steam locomotive drivers (in most US prototypes I'm aware of) are held in place by gravity, much less individual freight car trucks. But they have a bit more weight to work with. Most model railroad models don't use this (...) (19 years ago, 5-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | (...) Of course for a 5 long unit car, having the trucks integral would make for a pretty unwieldy model... Frank (19 years ago, 6-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) Well, lessee. Each set comes with 1 pivot truck and 2 end trucks. With 2 sets, we get 2 pivots and 4 end trucks. A 3 well requires 2 pivots and 2 end trucks, and the single requires 2 end trucks. That seems to work for me. The ends require (...) (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) Once more, slowly. I was talking about a 5 unit car. I agree that a 3 unit should work from 2 copies. But a 5 unit MAY or MAY NOT be buildable from 3 copies. It requires 4 center bogies, and 4 pairs of pivot connections. In 3 copies, you get 3 (...) (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) Apology accepted. Just don't get it happen again. (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) This is what is called pointing out that YOU were wrong, within the framework of apology. Sorry if it was a bit too subtle for you! How about this?? "You're wrong! Twice in one thread tree, no less!" (some snippage) (...) Ya, that pretty much (...) (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) Might not have occurred to you that I was kidding; perhaps a bit too subtle. Sorry for any confusion on your end:-) JOHN (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) Nice try there, J2... Well played, in fact, but no. You lose. (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Kevin Blocksidge
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| | | | | | (...) No, I think his move was a good one. The classic "I know I made a mistake, but through word play I will make it seem like you are the one with the mistake" You just didn't get the joke. ~Kevoh what's this thread even about? some new train? (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) Stick to that line of thought, Kevoh... it might even work for you, over with the spacers. (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) Actually, Kevoh nailed it. You've been had. JOHN (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) Ah yes, the blind leading the blind. You two make quite the pair. Charming, really. Now run along. The grownups have important stuff to talk about. :-) (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) Hmmm, just maybe I'm clever enough to hang out in CSF......nah! :-) JOHN (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | (...) Ummm guys, if you're gonna keep going down this thread, you might wanna take it to o-t.fun or somewhere - I think it's been way off topic for trains for quite a while now... ROSCO (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.off-topic.fun, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Mark Bellis
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| | | | | (...) I think what he means (and what I'd also like to know) is: Are there enough spare parts in the set to turn the two end bogies into another middle bogie, so that one set can be re-arranged to extend a consist by two pockets. Then two sets could (...) (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | In lugnet.trains, Mark Bellis wrote: (URL) (...) Doing a halfway decent intermodal terminal (portside or just a flatyard like the ones around Chicago) will chew up a LOT of copies of this set even after you selectively compress down from 50 tracks (...) (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) Boo Hoo! And speak with reverence when you mention the first 9 volt 8 wide train set produced by TLG! ;-D JOHN (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Mathew Clayson
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| | | | (...) Jake, you answered my unmentioned question. I assumed selling 2 at a time was for the reason above, and selling 1 at a time would raise the per car price. So 2 at a time is great. Doing the math (2 end trucks, 1 center truck and connections) I (...) (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.dear-lego, FTX)
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