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 Robotics / RCX / legOS / *1099 (-40)
  Re: GA in RCX
 
(...) I've pondered it, though not actually done anything. The things to remember are that GAs need to do fitness testing, and the larger the population that you can do fitness tests on the better. On a big old PC, it's easy to do lots and lots of (...) (24 years ago, 23-May-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
 
  RE: RTC
 
(...) There used to be such an option, but I can't seem to find it at the moment. Anyone else game? (...) Unfortunately, only if you have an older version of the mindstorms (version 1.0.) In version 1.5, Lego in it's infinite wisdom removed the (...) (24 years ago, 23-May-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
 
  Re: GA in RCX
 
(...) Anything specific? MY Supervisor is interested in me using Cartesian GP... - Ciaran (24 years ago, 23-May-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
 
  RE: RTC
 
(...) Crap :) Our setup would have been a hot item at trade shows :) Can anyone give me some info on power conservation with legOS? Will legOS shut itself down after a certain period of time? Does a power adapter exist for the robot so I can plug it (...) (24 years ago, 23-May-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
 
  Re: GA in RCX
 
(...) We're just working on it :). Tobias (24 years ago, 23-May-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
 
  GA in RCX
 
- Anybody out there got any experience with Genetic Algorithms in LegOS, anybody willing to give me a little help in getting a handle on it, I'm considering a final year CSSE project using the RCX, and would be interested to here from anyone who's (...) (24 years ago, 23-May-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
 
  RE: RTC
 
(...) No- I should have been more clear: PC->tower->robot automatically turns on the tower and is therefore pretty robust (whereas the robot has no way to turn on the tower once it has gone off.) There is no way to use laptop IR to talk to the (...) (24 years ago, 23-May-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
 
  RE: RTC
 
(...) Glad to hear it. Unfortunately, I'm also a student, the sysadmin, a programmer, and just general (computer) handyman, so I don't get to play with the robots all the time. (...) I see. So I can use regular laptop/PC IR to comm with the robot (...) (24 years ago, 23-May-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
 
  RE: RTC
 
(...) Once upon a time, I was paid briefly to do it to. Certainly the best summer job I will ever have. (...) FYI, The main limitation with the IR, assuming that your room is reasonably IR reflective, is that the tower turns itself off and so it can (...) (24 years ago, 23-May-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
 
  Re: RTC
 
(...) Right. (...) Yes. User moves mouse -> applet sends signal to server -> server sends signal to robot. (...) Great! This is just what I wanted. (...) I'll do that. (...) I was also looking for this. Thanks :) Thanks much for your help, Nils (24 years ago, 23-May-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
 
  RE: RTC
 
(...) It is really fun ... some of the time ;) (...) Yeah, I kind of thought that IR may not be so good, but I'm sure that I can find some ways around that. (...) That's an idea, although the data acquisition system primarily measures stress, (...) (24 years ago, 23-May-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
 
  Re: RTC
 
(...) Quick note about legOS: it is a replacement firmware for the Mindstorms, designed to allow you to write programs in C that run /on/ the robot itself. Not sure exactly what you mean by real-time, but I'm guessing that you mean something like (...) (24 years ago, 23-May-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
 
  RTC
 
Hello, I have a few questions about legOS, but I know absolutely nothing about it or about the Lego Mindstorms. I am involved in a project at my company to provide real time control of a robot (with one of our data aquisition systemes mounted on it) (...) (24 years ago, 23-May-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
 
  Re: random
 
What version are you using? I believe random/srandom are broken in all non-CVS versions of legOS. To get the CVS version, head to (URL) and follow the instructions on that page. Should work fine- I just tested the new random() two hours ago and it (...) (24 years ago, 22-May-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
 
  random
 
Hi! Back again with more problems. I want to use random() in my programs and looking in stdlib.h it looks like it is implemented. It says: extern long int random(void); extern void srandom(unsigned int seed); When I didn't have stdlib.h included, I (...) (24 years ago, 22-May-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
 
  RE: DJGPP/DOS legOS Howto
 
Long term, though, I'd like to put everything (or at least links to everything) in one place on sourceforge- it'll make it much easier for newbies. Of course, I suppose the HOWTO has to be the first step to that :( Luis (...) ---...--- "Going to (...) (24 years ago, 22-May-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
 
  Re: Robocup with Mindstorm/ legOS
 
(...) I recently held a Mindstorms competition and determined that battling robots was too difficult a task for the novice Mindstormer. I ended up doing a maze navigation competition. You can check out the results as well as rules format here: (URL) (...) (24 years ago, 22-May-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
 
  Re: DJGPP/DOS legOS Howto
 
Sweet. Sorry about not figuring out the upload permission sooner. I'll try to figure things out tonight... Luis (...) ---...--- "Going to California with an aching in my heart. Someone told me there's a girl out there with love in her eyes and (...) (24 years ago, 22-May-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
 
  DJGPP/DOS legOS Howto
 
I've posted the howto for using the DJGPP port of GNU tools on a Windows system. It can be found here: (URL) (24 years ago, 22-May-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
 
  Re: Robocup with Mindstorm/ legOS
 
Hello Thorsten, (...) you can get some inspiration for example at: (13 URLs) (ROBOLAB Curriculum) (4 URLs) We wonder if there is a possibility to do (some kind of) robocup with (...) Last summer at IJCAI in Stockholm, there was a special category at (...) (24 years ago, 22-May-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos, lugnet.robotics.edu)
 
  Robocup with Mindstorm/ legOS
 
Hi all, I am working at the university of Bonn, Germany, and we're currently thinking about using MINDSTORM and legOS to teach younger students about robotics. We wonder if there is a possibility to do (some kind of) robocup with MINDSTORM. Has (...) (24 years ago, 22-May-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
 
  two compiler questions
 
Hey, Markus and everyone else- sorry to be cluttering all of your inboxes like I have today. I have two questions about the compilers: 1) How important is the interrupt patch? What functionality would I be losing if I don't have that patch? 2) What (...) (24 years ago, 21-May-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
 
  one quick thing
 
having been forced to look at the homepage for the first time in ages, I note that there are now "drivers for all RCX subsystems." I can't find anything with the temperature sensors, though. Am I correct in this? Or am I not doing a thorough enough (...) (24 years ago, 21-May-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
 
  Re: Very strange problems
 
(...) Ah, that's all right, happens to the best of us. :) I'll go back to my happy little preemptive world. -- "Our doubts are traitors, and make us lose the good we oft might win by fearing to attempt." - William Shakespeare Mike Ash - (URL), (...) (24 years ago, 21-May-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
 
  Re: Very strange problems
 
(...) I have not done large-scale "production" work with 0.2.x, really, so I may be vastly incorrect. Ah-hah. The legOS homepage (at least) indicates that you are correct. My fault for scaring people... sorry. Luis ---...--- "Going to California (...) (24 years ago, 21-May-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
 
  Re: Very strange problems
 
(...) Ack! I knew that it was cooperative in the 0.1.x series, but I had thought it was preemptive in 0.2.x. Drat. Well, I don't think it's a major problem for me, since I call msleep() religiously, but it's something to look into. Thanks. -- "Our (...) (24 years ago, 21-May-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
 
  Re: Very strange problems
 
(...) Just that it is not pre-emptive. If you don't msleep() at the appropriate places in your code, you'll never go back to the scheduler or the other threads. This can come as a surprise, since you'll only notice it when one thread never executes. (...) (24 years ago, 21-May-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
 
  Re: Very strange problems
 
(...) That seems very likely. (...) Great :). The complete rules for the tournament can be found on the course web page, which is linked from our page. Tobias (24 years ago, 21-May-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
 
  Re: Very strange problems
 
(...) Neural nets do similar things. Our class had some very interesting cheaters. I actually thought the students learned as much from watching their robots cheat as they did from any other single component, since figuring out the "cheating" forced (...) (24 years ago, 21-May-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
 
  Re: Very strange problems
 
(...) Probably movement since it is easier. Our fitness function may have to change once we see the result though. GA tends to give you individuals that cheat every chance they get :). (...) It will be found at (URL) Right now we have our (...) (24 years ago, 21-May-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
 
  Re: Very strange problems
 
(...) What sort of "issues" are these? Are you referring to the normal issues of multithreading (synchronization, deadlock, etc.), or specific legOS-related problems with it? I have a program that uses a decent amount of multithreading, and I'd hate (...) (24 years ago, 21-May-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
 
  Re: Very strange problems
 
(...) Redundancy is good :) (...) Good. It's generally solid, but can cause some issues from time to time. <snip lots of monkey talk :) > (...) Distance of movement or consistency (i.e. always forward) or both for fitness? Sounds really cool. Good (...) (24 years ago, 21-May-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
 
  Re: Very strange problems
 
(...) We have not done anything to ensure that whatever is transmitted is received correctly (i.e. without errors). What we have done is a build a system which will work even if one (or several) of the RCXs are temporarily blocked for some reason. (...) (24 years ago, 21-May-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
 
  Re: Very strange problems
 
(...) Argh. I was getting emulegos (which I was pretty familiar with) and legosim (which I though was C, not Java) confused. I'm afraid neither of them would be too easy to port to 0.2.x :( (...) Please make sure to share this with us! IR continues (...) (24 years ago, 21-May-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
 
  Re: Very strange problems
 
(...) I was afraid so. (...) We haven't reached the GA part yet. Right now the idea is to work out a communication protocol and then send a information back and fourth. And since the RCXs locked up we thought that there must be something wrong in (...) (24 years ago, 21-May-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
 
  Re: Very strange problems
 
(...) IIRC, it is 0.1.7, which used a completely different setup for the IR communication. (...) Unfortunately, no. (...) You mean, unmodified? No, I don't think. I've seen lots of code that worked, and then got "simplified" and then stopped (...) (24 years ago, 21-May-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
 
  Re: Very strange problems
 
(...) It seems that emulegos should be able to handle IR. However, it does not use the lnp-functions that I use, so I presume it is designed to work with an earlier version of legOS. Were earlier versions of legOS (I use version 0.2.3) less likely (...) (24 years ago, 21-May-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
 
  Re: Very strange problems
 
(...) I will hopefully clean up and release some of it by Wednesday. (...) I'm not sure- I don't think so, though. Someone else here may be able to answer that much better than I can. Luis ---...--- "Going to California with an aching in my heart. (...) (24 years ago, 21-May-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
 
  Re: Very strange problems
 
(...) Is this neural network code made public? I have emulegos, but I havn't much more than started it up. Do you know if it can handle IR-communication between several RCXs? Tobias (24 years ago, 21-May-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)
 
  Re: Very strange problems
 
(...) Yes. We ran into similar problems when writing neural network code. Persist- you can write really cool stuff on legOS- we did. Also, emulegos (which is still around somewhere, though I'm not sure if anyone has ported it to 0.2.x) would (...) (24 years ago, 21-May-00, to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos)


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