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| | | Okay, So, I'm reading: Chris Bruce Iain Trevyn Rob Me Are trying to put together robots for rtlToronto14. Any others? Also, for those intending to play, vote on: Yes or No: AC adapters allowed. (21 years ago, 25-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Jeff Van Winden
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| | | | | (...) and Me.... if I find the time.... I will build a prototype that just does not hack it.... Jeff VW (21 years ago, 25-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Iain Hendry
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| | | | | (...) Sure. (Yes, allowed) Iain (21 years ago, 25-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Dave Astolfo
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| | | | | (...) Yes, sure why not. I will follow in Jeff VW footsteps. Just build a prototype of some sort. Dave (21 years ago, 25-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Chris Magno
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| | | | | (...) Iain -- Yes Dave A -- Yes Derek (#2) -- probably yes if he ever stops lurking. Chris Still on topic, AND gets in potty reference # 2 <---Oh man... the double Duce!!! did ya see that? (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —David Koudys
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| | | | | | (...) I just picture el tubbo flying his x-wing saying 'stay on target... stay on target...' before he blew up real good... "stay on topic!! stay on topic!!" says Calum. K, I'll stay on topic--I have all this room, the layout, and lotsa bricks, but (...) (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Ka-On Lee
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| | | | | (...) /me rise hand (...) Yes. (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Wayne Young
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| | | | | (...) I'm building a robot for rtlToronto14. As for AC adapters, heck no. That's not being nice to those of you who don't know how to buy batteries, but robot competitions are not about being nice. I for one will not be able to use AC because I (...) (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Iain Hendry
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| | | | | | | (...) Hmm. Wayne's got a good point. Okay, change my vote to a "No"! If I've got to spend $20 on batteries, so should you! :) Iain (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Benjamin Medinets
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| | | | | | (...) That isn't a good rationale for voting no. That's like saying "no" to allowing pneumatics because you don't have them. What is the underlying issue? What I perceive the problem is what to do with the dangling wires that are attatched to the (...) (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Iain Hendry
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| | | | | | | (...) But pneumatics are available. The original RCX with a power jack is not. (...) I don't believe that making assumptions about how people will tackle a problem, and developing a rule from that, is the proper way to go about a competition. (...) (...) (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Chris Magno
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| | | | | | | | | (...) WRONG!!! you can still buy one at spectrum. sure it cost $190 (ish) but they can still be bought so that's a lame excuse. I have 4. I flat out refuse to buy an RCX if it does not have an AC jack. Chris no potty joke. (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Benjamin Medinets
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) That is pretty tough terms. What if the RCX is available at clearance for $199 CDN like the 1.5's were on just after the 2.0's were released? I know for that price, I bought one. Since then, I have acquired (through Evil-Bay) 2 additional (...) (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Iain Hendry
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I don't get why you're buying all these RCX's, and not building robots for the competitions. What do you use the RCX's for? Iain (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Benjamin Medinets
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | I don't get why you're buying all these RCX's, and not building robots for the (...) I have future plans for those. I don't care to discuss my plans with them, at least not for the moment. I don't think I have to justify my having them. As for not (...) (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I'm not Ben, but mine are all destined for LDCC (either controlling trains, or being boosters to get the signal to go farther, or being receivers for accessories like turnouts and suchlike) or for independent trackside automation. Robin's (...) (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Jeff Van Winden
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| | | | | | | | | | | | In lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto, Larry Pieniazek wrote: <snip> (...) FYI, The Magnetic sensors were actually created by rtl's own Jeff Elliot... Jeff VW Who is still applauding for Larry :) (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Right, but I'm not talking about the sensors, I'm talking about the design for what goes where, and the code that needs to be run in the RCX... :-) (...) Should I take a bow? :-) (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) <snip> (...) Yep! ++Lar appreciation is on the rise :) Dave K (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) That's a good start! (...) Me either! (...) Darn. (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Steve Hassenplug
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) too bad you guys don't do sumo. At the Brickfest Sumo, the first place prize was a 1.0 RCX with power suppily, and a Spybot. I have a suggestion that may clear up a couple things. (and I know how much you guys love to hear from me) Maybe this (...) (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Benjamin Medinets
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| | | | | | | | (...) Well, agreeing with Wayne about saving batteries isn't a good reason for voting "no" (just to screw your fellow competitors). I was just re-emphasizing what Calum said in an earlier post, "Yeah, sure you do. I won't take the excuse you can't (...) (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Iain Hendry
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| | | | | | | | (...) What I don't undersatnd is why you're geting involved with this. (...) No, removing the batteries does not clear the firmware and programming - it takes only a minute if you have your RCX easily accessable (by good machine design). A poor (...) (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Benjamin Medinets
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| | | | | | | | (...) Want the honest reason. The discussion regarding this either way (YES vs NO) has been largely SUBJECTIVE without a whole lot of reason. I would like to hear some OBJECTIVE reasons and find out the pros and cons of using AC power. I would like (...) (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Wayne Young
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| | | | | | (...) To my mind, it's a perfectly good reason for saying no. Let's turn the tables and suppose allowing AC was the norm. I come along and requested that AC *not* be allowed because I can only use batteries. The response would likely have been along (...) (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Benjamin Medinets
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| | | | | | | (...) Well. I guess that is a better explanation than you posted before. Thanks for posting it. It may not be a good technical answer but at least it has democratic rationale. Ben (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —David Koudys
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| | | | | | (...) I'm not entering so I have no official say. We allowed ext. power for project x 'cause, well, the 'bots didn't move. IIRC, I noticed in the vid for monkey bars that one was using ext. power. but then there should have been no chance that bots (...) (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Calum Tsang
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| | | | | | (...) No, because AC power also means you can be sloppy with control loops. You can brute force time instead of using clever mechanisms (Iain/Rob) or sensoring everything (Chris, Bruce) (...) This is why I was against the external battery box of (...) (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Chris Magno
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| | | | | | (...) your a freak! Calum. how dare you try to force how I should build or program my robot. so what if I build "sloppy" so what if I use time.... so what if i use BRUTE FORCE. you know damn well that's not what the games are about. the only (...) (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Iain Hendry
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| | | | | | | (...) Because if you're using AC you're at an advantage because you *CAN* time everything. If you're using battery power you can't do that. You get that huge inherent advantage of being able to build a simpler robot that runs far more reliably (...) (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Chris Magno
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| | | | | | | | | (...) smart ass. I'll use 2. and each of you can use 1. if I have to, I can BUY more. :) Chris (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Iain Hendry
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) As always. Would you expect less? :) But anyway. Now it's on. You got me mad. Get ready for me to KICK. YOUR. ASS. It's on, boi. Yeah, yeah. You know it. Iain (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Bring it on, dapper dude! Or as my idol and walking dead slayer, Ash, would say... Come get some! Groovy! Dave K -It's a trick! Get an axe! (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Rob Stehlik
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| | | | | | | | (...) This is interesting... I don't think Matthias would agree with you: (URL) project X robot relied entirely on timing, and he had a lot of problems at the competition. (...) I guess AC would be more consistent than batteries, but it still isn't (...) (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Bruce Sheridan
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| | | | | | | | This whole AC vs battery thing is getting crazy. RCX Version In effect, we’ve already discussed this ages ago and the outcome was that as long as its lego then no problem...we don’t discriminate against certain lego parts. If we did, then we’d all (...) (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Bruce Sheridan
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| | | | | | | | I forgot to mention... We do this for FUN. We do this to see different approaches to the same problem. The contest simply gives us a common goal and a time deadline. Winning, and for that matter losing, are really not what we're about. (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | In lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto, Chris Magno wrote: <snip> (...) So Chris has spoken! So let it be done! Dave K (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Wayne Young
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| | | | | | | (...) Well, boo hoo back at you. Your concern about batteries is not a valid reason to change an already existing rule. You can go out and buy rechargeable batteries or several dozen of those made on the backs of Chinese disposables just as easily. (...) (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Derek Raycraft
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| | | | | | | Ok, if AC is allowed, what is the ruling if a robot gets tangle in the opponents AC cord? Derek (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Iain Hendry
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Unquestionably, instant death. Iain (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) For the robot? Or for the contestant? Or for a random bystander? (21 years ago, 27-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Benjamin Medinets
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) No question about it...all the above!!! :) Ben (21 years ago, 27-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Calum Tsang
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| | | | | | | | (...) First AC is not allowed yet. Until the webpage changes, AC is still not legal. At some point, we're going to tally up how people stand on the issue so far: Iain - No Wayne - No Chris - Yes Bruce - Yes Jeremy - Yes Ka-On - Yes Trevyn? Rob? (...) (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Calum Tsang
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| | | | | | (...) The same reasons why we say you can't drop 1200 pieces or be larger than 18" cubed. I care if it gives an unnecessary benefit that everyone else doesn't have. Like, we don't allow John Barnes sensors because not everyone has them and they're (...) (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Steve Hassenplug
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| | | | | | (...) !?!? :) (...) Yes. And, someone could easily say "well, my cord won't tangle other robots." But... (...) ...If it does, they lose. (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Jeremy Taylor
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| | | | | (...) I'm currently working on a design for rtl14 and hope to have a robot to enter. (...) I've seen a lot of back and forth on this question with good points by both sides. Here's a few of my thoughts on the issue: 1. With AC power, a robot will (...) (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | Re: rtlToronto14 AC issue and entrants —Trevyn Watson
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| | | | (...) My vote: I don't care. However, I think that if they are allowed, there should be no chance that they could foul another bot (ie, they should only be allowed on a factory bot against the back wall). For the record, I am not planning on using (...) (21 years ago, 26-Aug-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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