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Hey folks, Breaking out the curly brackets here: (URL) the rtl21 Tug of War preliminary ruleset. It is not on the front page, but please discuss. Of pertinent interest is the red areas highlighted which are up for debate. Also, I'm sure there are (...) (19 years ago, 26-Mar-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) this one line seems to be something I dont like.... I know we discussed it, but I think 2" is way to limiting. ----snip--- The rope enters and exits at 2 inches from the surface of the table -----end--- 1. I think the "opening" should be (...) (19 years ago, 26-Mar-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) I'm kinda with Chris on this one--the limitations for the competition is 10x10x10--where hte rope enters nad exits in that 10x10 hould be pretty much irrelevant. I also think that maybe we should think about one more limiting factor. As (...) (19 years ago, 27-Mar-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) So.... were agreed then? Chris (19 years ago, 28-Mar-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) I'd also agree to dropping the 2" high entry point... but then the start: "At the beginning of each round, the robots are to be placed at the marker line and the rope threaded through them. They are then started manually by their creators at (...) (19 years ago, 28-Mar-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Maybe we should have different weight classes? eg. under 2 pounds, 2-4 pounds,.....etc. Vitali (19 years ago, 28-Mar-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) While I think the idea of different class's is a good idea, I dont think we get enough robots to warrant a game for each class. I've read all the ideas, and it looks like people are pointing to a logical weight limit. This begrudgingly makes (...) (19 years ago, 29-Mar-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) I think this is a pretty good idea. This way people with have to think of new strategies, other than having the heaviest robot, so it can pull everything including the other table. So I'm for this idea of a low weight limit. Vitali (19 years ago, 29-Mar-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) That's always the problem. Then you look kind of stupid being the only person in the class. It's like the guy who made the giant mirror on the Mythbusters Greek Death Ray Revisit episode. Poor guy, not only was he the only person who attempted (...) (19 years ago, 29-Mar-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) 1 pound is not enough. Official "Mini-Sumo" rules allow robots that are up to 500kg (1.1lbs). It's barely possible to make a Mini-Sumo with LEGO. That means using just 2 motors, 1 RCX, and a couple wedge pieces. 2lbs is a really good weight (...) (19 years ago, 29-Mar-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) I think that's actually about 1100 lbs, not 1.1 lbs. But I could be wrong. That would be a pretty impresive mini sumo bot though, I gotta say. Can you fit it in a 10 inch cube per the trial rules? (without using neutronium plated parts, that (...) (19 years ago, 29-Mar-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Thanks for pointing out Chris' error. (...) I don't think that's possible. (19 years ago, 29-Mar-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) My error? Um, what kind of back street CRACK (1) are you on? Has all this fame affected your eyesight Steve? Can you not SEE the DECIMAL POINT before the 453???(5) 1 POUND is about zero POINT four five three Kilos (URL) ~NOW~ do you see why we (...) (19 years ago, 29-Mar-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Chris, Much as I hate to intefere with an imperial beatdown (and I hate it a lot) you said 500kg(1.1pounds)... 500kg=1100pounds. You obviously meant 500g=1.1pounds though. Tim (19 years ago, 29-Mar-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Hey, I never said I's good at readin or rithmatic. Turns out, my wife has everyone convinced I'm good at building robots. (...) Just a figure head. Like you. Steve ps. sorry Tim, that wasn't Chris that said 500kg=1.1lbs (19 years ago, 29-Mar-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Don't be sorry. It means I can get into the imperial beatdown again. I'm sorry to Chris for doubting his metric skills. Tim (19 years ago, 29-Mar-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) I think the drug of choice is meth in Indiana: (URL) 5. And yet, your still king of the MUPpet's? I for one... Calum (19 years ago, 29-Mar-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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In lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto, Chris Magno wrote (a while back): (...) Actually, this is exactly the reason I had it drilled into my head all through undergrad that you never write a number like ".453"; instead, you always include a leading zero, so (...) (19 years ago, 29-Mar-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Steve: (wrong): (...) Lar: (correct): (...) You're clearly quite confused. HTH, HAND. (19 years ago, 29-Mar-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) All masses in pounds (stupid scale): RCX with batteries = 0.56 - 0.60 (depending on batteries) Two light gearmotors = 0.13 Two "old" gearmotors = 0.185 So an RCX with two motors is between 0.69 and 0.785 pounds. Not a lot of room in there. (...) (19 years ago, 29-Mar-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Based on these results, and adding a third old gear motor, I get 0.8375 LB So, that leaves 0.1625 LB (1)(2) for sensors and parts. (3) the more I see it, the more I LIKE the 1 lb rule! beams and parts are not all that heavy, so 2 oz should be (...) (19 years ago, 29-Mar-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) (URL) (1) (1) all weights in g, not kg (19 years ago, 29-Mar-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) So what are you saying? 0.0737087601KG in G is about 73 G. thats means, (useing your chart) with 3 motors, and 1 rcx, you have 73 grams left. with 73 grams, you can have 1 lx, one touch and one rotation sensor, (20 g) that leaves you with 53 (...) (19 years ago, 29-Mar-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Ummmm Timbort, if you're gonna jump in on a thread, you better be darn sure you get yout facts straight: (URL) were probably tricked by the shading on the reply quotes - unfortunately on Lugnet, matching colour does NOT mean matching (...) (19 years ago, 29-Mar-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) nothing. I was just trying to give you more information to make your decision. (sorry I didn't think about this page sooner) A 1lb limit won't be an 'easy' challenge. (19 years ago, 29-Mar-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Oh dear Chris, you seem to have picked up kg disease from Steve, and reversed it... maybe you're a matching pair? ROSCO (19 years ago, 29-Mar-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Steve has made a number of them for different LEGO sumo events (his first version was named "Reactor", followed by things like "Chernobyl"). Actually (depressingly for me) they do better than almost any RCX "intelligent" sumobot they've gone (...) (19 years ago, 29-Mar-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) I dunno...I'd rather go 2lbs. As much as I abhore agreeing with Steve's suggestions...it is a good idea. :) Calum (19 years ago, 29-Mar-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) 1.25 lb's and thats my final offer. Chris (19 years ago, 30-Mar-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) so, um..... Buller? Buller? Chris (19 years ago, 1-Apr-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) 1.5? Bricks are heavy. Calum (19 years ago, 3-Apr-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Well I just weighed my last bot for Project Y without the transfer openings, and it came in at 2.5 lbs. I'd be leaning toward 1.5+ myself. Just throw an existing build on a kitchen scale and see what it weighs... -Rob A> (19 years ago, 3-Apr-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Right, I know all that..... thats why i want to suggest the LIGHTER weight. To artificially force a constraint to work around. Anyone can make a heavy bot for tug of war. Can you make a LIGHT one?? Chris (19 years ago, 3-Apr-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) I think 1.5 isn't a bad comprimise on one and two pounds. I think one is a little extreme and two may be too "fat". 1.5 may just be enough to keep people on edge. Calum (19 years ago, 3-Apr-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) ok 1.5 lb BUT you have to give me a reciept for the FULL price Chris (19 years ago, 3-Apr-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) How about I give you an updated rules page? I removed the 2" height entry and exit (I wanted people to not have a height advantage to begin the round with, but whatever...) and added in the 1.5 pound weight limit. Calum (19 years ago, 4-Apr-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) MR. you got your self a DEAL... (tunrs and mutters under breath... heh heh heh.. suckkkeeeerrrrrrr) Chris (19 years ago, 4-Apr-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) And a link is where....? Didn't see it on the main page. Dave K (19 years ago, 4-Apr-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) YOUR ALIVE!!!!! YAY!!! Daves ALIVE!!! yay!!! now if only he would reply to my email. Chris (19 years ago, 4-Apr-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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In lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto, Chris Magno wrote: <snip> (...) but i don't want to be a pirate!!! i mean, don't want to reply to your e-mail 'cause i've been soooo busy tat i haven't had time to look at it yet. maybe I'll take a look tonite and see (...) (19 years ago, 4-Apr-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) I won't be linking it until we're reasonably frozen on it: (URL) tend to hide them with a URL only on Lugnet's rtlToronto NG until we're reasonably solid it won't change. This is to make things a little easier on those who may not keep up with (...) (19 years ago, 4-Apr-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) temporarily delurking... I like the tug-of-war idea.... 1.5lbs sounds like a good compromise. And I like the battery box possibilities of this contest.... I do have a comment regarding the now defunct 2" string height limit though. Depending (...) (19 years ago, 5-Apr-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Ya I do a lot of lurking these days, now that I can't post through email. (...) snip stuff (...) I agree with removing the 2" string height limit too. I thought it was strange because at dinner we were talking about all the different (...) (19 years ago, 5-Apr-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) You should all start posting. Otherwise, people will think we're reponsible for the demise of Lugnet... :) (...) Well, for that matter, why should the rope go in a straight line on the horizontal plane? By the same reasoning, you could do (...) (19 years ago, 5-Apr-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) It's not because I don't want to post. It's a little conspicuous having a lugnet window open at work. An email client on the other hand makes it look like you're doing work. :-) Plus I can spell check my messages. (...) Actually, I don't care (...) (19 years ago, 5-Apr-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) If you are concerned with "looking" like you are not on the net vs. actually being concerned that you ARE, try ghostzilla: (URL) is just for dealing with offices where appearances are more important than reality. Remember...big brother is (...) (19 years ago, 5-Apr-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) > (...) DUH!!!!!! ~I~ am solely responsible for the demise of lugnet... it was ME... I killed it. I am Spartacus! (...) I agree with BOTH Derek and Calum. I like that we say it must start and exit in the front and rear. but limiting it to the (...) (19 years ago, 5-Apr-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Ghostzila is nice. I think i will start using it here at home in my computer room. Chris (19 years ago, 5-Apr-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) I'm not sure which Simpsons quote to use: "I, for one, welcome our new German overlords..." or: "Oooh, the Germans are mad at me. I'm so scared! Oooh, the Germans! [hiding behind Smithers] Uh oh, the Germans are going to get me!" :) In all (...) (19 years ago, 5-Apr-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Well, there are rules in there: Fit a rope through the robot such that: At the start of the round, the rope can be freely pulled out of the robot without moving it No knotting, tying or modification to the rope is allowed before the start of (...) (19 years ago, 5-Apr-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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Calum Tsang wrote: snip (...) snip (...) and people wonder why we fight? ;) BTW, you still have that stuff i loaned you? Chris (19 years ago, 5-Apr-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) I was re-enforcing the consepts that were there. I don't think we need to add anything to enforce this, I just wouldn't want to see it weakend. (...) I only bring this up because it chains back to the block colour picking and how your (...) (19 years ago, 5-Apr-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Not only did you not have a robot at that contest and you should shut up about it :) but also: -You're complaining I should use what is discussed at the dinner* -Yet we discussed which colours we were going to choose at dinner, and I said I (...) (19 years ago, 5-Apr-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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Calum Tsang wrote: snip (...) OK,so we are agreeed then... DAVE writes the rules from now on. Chris (19 years ago, 5-Apr-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) <snip> hahahahahahahaha !!! Now thats the funniest thing I've read on Lagnet in a LONG time -Rob A> (19 years ago, 5-Apr-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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In lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto, Calum Tsang wrote: <snip> (...) K, I really laughed out loud with this one. And with that, I'm going for a cupcake... Dave K (19 years ago, 5-Apr-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Might I suggest a vague rule, stating your intent. Such as "Robots should not grasp the rope, or alter the rope, making it easier to grasp, before the round begins". Then, at the event, you can do the usual "if the crowd thinks you're grasping (...) (19 years ago, 5-Apr-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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