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Subject:	Re: It IS about Taxation ;-) (Was Re: (Sub\|Ob)jectivity and related case studies on .debate (...or is it just about taxation :-)
Newsgroups:	lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date:	Sat, 23 Dec 2000 22:07:08 GMT
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Larry Pieniazek wrote in message ... > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Paul Baulch writes: > > > Why does the government need "permission" to tax you? > > This is the root of the question indeed. The conventional answer is that > "legitimate governments govern with the consent of the governed". And a fine answer it is too. It follows that consenting to be governed by a government which demands tax is giving permission to be taxed by that government - ergo, taxation is not theft. > > As a very first step, let's take a hypothetical example. Suppose Australia > is suddenly invaded by a hostile foreign power and this power institutes a > government. Is that government legitimate? Does it have consent of the • governed? > Whether it has consent of the governed comes down to whether there are a group of individuals who accept new citizenship (i.e. acknowledge the new government), in which case any amount of tax _they_ pay isn't theft. Those who _don't_ acknowledge the new government may be deported, imprisoned or executed, but they subsequently don't pay that government any tax, so they aren't relevant to this discussion. Cheers, Paul LUGNET member 164 http://www.geocities.com/doctorshnub/

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		Re: It IS about Taxation ;-) (Was Re: (Sub\|Ob)jectivity and related case studies on .debate (...or is it just about taxation :-)
(...) Yes, I agree, taxation of those who consent to be taxed is not theft. Where we differ is on how one gives consent and how one goes about withholding it. Stick with my example here... (...) So in a country of millions of people, as long as one (...) (24 years ago, 24-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: It IS about Taxation ;-) (Was Re: (Sub\|Ob)jectivity and related case studies on .debate (...or is it just about taxation :-)
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Paul Baulch writes: Yes, this is old ground. It's a fundamental difference in premise about what the proper form of society is, actually. (...) This is the root of the question indeed. The conventional answer is that (...) (24 years ago, 22-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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