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Re: It IS about Taxation ;-) (Was Re: (Sub|Ob)jectivity and related case studies on .debate (...or is it just about taxation :-)
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Fri, 22 Dec 2000 18:43:45 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Paul Baulch writes:
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> Yes, this *is* old ground. It's a fundamental difference in premise about
> what the proper form of society is, actually.
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> > Apologies if I'm plowing old ground here, I spent a while looking for the
> > original source of this discussion but couldn't find it (possibly due to the
> > fact that I'm using an NNTP reader - does it thread in the web version?).
> >
> > Assertion: "Taxation can be referred to as theft." and that "using taxation
> > to implement welfare is subsequently immoral".
> >
> > These assertions sound, to my ears, ridiculous. Theft is the taking of
> > possessions without right or permission (paraphrased from dictionary.com).
> > Why does the government need "permission" to tax you?
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> This is the root of the question indeed. The conventional answer is that
> "legitimate governments govern with the consent of the governed".
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> As a very first step, let's take a hypothetical example. Suppose Australia
> is suddenly invaded by a hostile foreign power and this power institutes a
> government. Is that government legitimate? Does it have consent of the governed?
It is not hypothetical, Britain did this in 1788. They stopped paying their
tax to the UK a while back though... we keep a tab. :-)
Scott A
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> Suppose that government (it *is*, after all, the defacto government of
> Australia, instituted by force) institutes a 100% taxation policy. Is that
> taxation theft? If so, why and if not, why not?
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> Think about that for a while, and I'll move with you to the next step (or
> Chris or Frank can).
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> ++Lar
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