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Re: It IS about Taxation ;-) (Was Re: (Sub|Ob)jectivity and related case studies on .debate (...or is it just about taxation :-)
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Sun, 24 Dec 2000 00:42:11 GMT
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Christopher Weeks wrote in message ...
> 
> Why refer to the Old Testament?

Aren't they a good example of law coming from a higher power than
government?

> And substituting words, you ask "Why does organization-x need permission to
> steal from you?"  In any instance of distribution of my wealth, if I have • given
> permission, it is not theft.  But I think that anyone who wants my wealth
> should ask, rather than seize.

That is an entirely inappropriate substitution - I'm not asking why the
government needs permission to "steal from me", I'm asking why it needs it
to "tax me" - already you are paraphrasing me using the propostion that I'm
explitictly disagreeing with.
Anyway, as to whether the government needs to "ask" for your tax - have you
not already agreed to abide by its laws, one of which involves paying tax?
If you don't agree with it's laws, then why haven't you emigrated yet?

> 
> So it wouldn't be theft, it would be my option to use it or not.  As long • as
> competing issuance was allowed.  If the only option is to use ours and pay • our
> 50% upcharge, or live like a barbarian, then there really isn't a choice.

Are you saying that if you are _pressured_ into being in this society and
paying tax, that such tax is stealing? To draw an analogy,  if I charge a
penniless man in the desert dying of thirst $1 for a drink of water, am I
being selfish? Inhumane? Certainly. Am I committing an act of theft?
Certainly not.
So perhaps you think you can question the morality of mandatory tax on
grounds of being unfair/inhumane, rather than being stealing? Well, where is
your tax going? Helping people less fortunate than you? Building stealth
bombers? Letting fat idiots sit around in a senate picking their noses all
day? I honestly don't know, but it's certainly worth trying to find out. It
won't reveal taxation to be theft, though.

Cheers,
Paul
LUGNET member 164
http://www.geocities.com/doctorshnub/



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  Re: It IS about Taxation ;-) (Was Re: (Sub|Ob)jectivity and related case studies on .debate (...or is it just about taxation :-)
 
(...) Would it be your claim that it is impossible for the government to steal from a citizen? (...) I have not. (...) Nowhere to go. (...) Pressured with the threat of death is not just a little pressure. So yes. I am saying that anytime someone (...) (26 years ago, 24-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: It IS about Taxation ;-) (Was Re: (Sub|Ob)jectivity and related case studies on .debate (...or is it just about taxation :-)
 
Larry handled the first step well, but I do have a couple questions. (...) Hi Paul, In reverse order: Why refer to the Old Testament? And substituting words, you ask "Why does organization-x need permission to steal from you?" In any instance of (...) (26 years ago, 22-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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