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Re: It IS about Taxation ;-) (Was Re: (Sub|Ob)jectivity and related case studies on .debate (...or is it just about taxation :-)
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Sun, 24 Dec 2000 00:42:11 GMT
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Christopher Weeks wrote in message ...

Why refer to the Old Testament?

Aren't they a good example of law coming from a higher power than
government?

And substituting words, you ask "Why does organization-x need permission to
steal from you?"  In any instance of distribution of my wealth, if I have • given
permission, it is not theft.  But I think that anyone who wants my wealth
should ask, rather than seize.

That is an entirely inappropriate substitution - I'm not asking why the
government needs permission to "steal from me", I'm asking why it needs it
to "tax me" - already you are paraphrasing me using the propostion that I'm
explitictly disagreeing with.
Anyway, as to whether the government needs to "ask" for your tax - have you
not already agreed to abide by its laws, one of which involves paying tax?
If you don't agree with it's laws, then why haven't you emigrated yet?


So it wouldn't be theft, it would be my option to use it or not.  As long • as
competing issuance was allowed.  If the only option is to use ours and pay • our
50% upcharge, or live like a barbarian, then there really isn't a choice.

Are you saying that if you are _pressured_ into being in this society and
paying tax, that such tax is stealing? To draw an analogy,  if I charge a
penniless man in the desert dying of thirst $1 for a drink of water, am I
being selfish? Inhumane? Certainly. Am I committing an act of theft?
Certainly not.
So perhaps you think you can question the morality of mandatory tax on
grounds of being unfair/inhumane, rather than being stealing? Well, where is
your tax going? Helping people less fortunate than you? Building stealth
bombers? Letting fat idiots sit around in a senate picking their noses all
day? I honestly don't know, but it's certainly worth trying to find out. It
won't reveal taxation to be theft, though.

Cheers,
Paul
LUGNET member 164
http://www.geocities.com/doctorshnub/



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  Re: It IS about Taxation ;-) (Was Re: (Sub|Ob)jectivity and related case studies on .debate (...or is it just about taxation :-)
 
(...) Would it be your claim that it is impossible for the government to steal from a citizen? (...) I have not. (...) Nowhere to go. (...) Pressured with the threat of death is not just a little pressure. So yes. I am saying that anytime someone (...) (24 years ago, 24-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: It IS about Taxation ;-) (Was Re: (Sub|Ob)jectivity and related case studies on .debate (...or is it just about taxation :-)
 
Larry handled the first step well, but I do have a couple questions. (...) Hi Paul, In reverse order: Why refer to the Old Testament? And substituting words, you ask "Why does organization-x need permission to steal from you?" In any instance of (...) (24 years ago, 22-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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