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Re: It IS about Taxation ;-) (Was Re: (Sub|Ob)jectivity and related case studies on .debate (...or is it just about taxation :-)
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Sun, 24 Dec 2000 17:34:59 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Paul Baulch writes:
> That is an entirely inappropriate substitution - I'm not asking why the
> government needs permission to "steal from me", I'm asking why it needs it
> to "tax me" - already you are paraphrasing me using the propostion that I'm
> explitictly disagreeing with.
Would it be your claim that it is impossible for the government to steal from a
citizen?
> Anyway, as to whether the government needs to "ask" for your tax - have you
> not already agreed to abide by its laws,
I have not.
> one of which involves paying tax?
> If you don't agree with it's laws, then why haven't you emigrated yet?
Nowhere to go.
> Are you saying that if you are _pressured_ into being in this society and
> paying tax, that such tax is stealing?
Pressured with the threat of death is not just a little pressure. So yes. I
am saying that anytime someone (anyone) takes your resources, and your only
option is to die (failing) to prevent the taking of your money, that it is
one form of stealing.
> To draw an analogy, if I charge a
> penniless man in the desert dying of thirst $1 for a drink of water, am I
> being selfish? Inhumane? Certainly.
Not at all certain. What if it is your last drink? But I know that
this is not what you meant. Assuming that you're camped on an oasis, have no
real limit, and no over-riding reason to wish that person ill, then sure,
you're being a prick.
> Am I committing an act of theft?
This 'analogy' isn't analagous to what my government does. What they do is
charge the $1 based on the pretext that they will supply a drink. Then, they
supply a third of a drink of stale water when I could have paid $.50 for a nice
tall glass of lemonaid on the market that had lots and lots of water. If next
year when they ask for their $1 for water, when you politely decline, they
shoot you in the head.
> So perhaps you think you can question the morality of mandatory tax on
> grounds of being unfair/inhumane, rather than being stealing?
No, if it's all the same to you, I would prefer to stick to the subject at hand
at least until someone demonstrates that taxation is not a form of theivery.
But thanks for the input.
Chris
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