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Can Harry Browne do it? —Todd Lehman

Late last night on C-Span they re-ran a Harry Browne rally from November 1. I thought he did a good job of introducing the LP philosophy and I think a lot of people would hear his message loud and clear if he could get any decent normal TV spots or (...) (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Can Harry Browne do it? —Christopher L. Weeks

(...) I haven't actually seen him speak, but he will be the third LP presidential candidate that I will have voted for. I think it all comes down to money, and the LP isn't willing to get enough of it to actually take hold. I am a "belly up to the (...) (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Can Harry Browne do it? —Todd Lehman

(...) I've gotta look this up to be sure, because I couldn't believe my ears, but I thought that Browne said there was no federal income tax before something like 1913. If I heard that correctly and it's true, it means that there are people alive (...) (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Can Harry Browne do it? —Christopher L. Weeks

(...) Yup. It was quite a national argument too. The proponents of a federal income tax eventually got it passed by assuring (though not writing it into law) the skeptics that it could never go over something like 3% of income. (...) I never thought (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Can Harry Browne do it? —Larry Pieniazek

(...) I think 1% is low but not by much. The LP has said that it has had between 200 and 400 officeholders nationally. Many of them were elected in smaller elections (not the national general election) or appointed. I am guessing too. One thing that (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Can Harry Browne do it? —Larry Pieniazek

(...) WHOOPS! c/in favor/against/ OR c/espouses/opposes/ ++Lar (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

U.S. federal income taxes not legal? (was: Re: Can Harry Browne do it?) —Todd Lehman

(...) Ah yes, here it is...the 16th Amendment. (URL) to .off-topic.debate & .loc.us] (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.loc.us)

Re: U.S. federal income taxes not legal? (was: Re: Can Harry Browne do it?) —Tim Courtney

"Todd Lehman" <lehman@javanet.com> wrote in message news:G3Ktyx.9ts@lugnet.com... (...) but (...) something (...) -- Tim Courtney - tim@zacktron.com (URL) - Centralized LDraw Resources (URL) - Zacktron Alliance ICQ: 23951114 - AIM: TimCourtne (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.loc.us)

Re: Can Harry Browne do it? —Tim Courtney

"Todd Lehman" <lehman@javanet.com> wrote in message news:G3Ksu6.76n@lugnet.com... (...) can (...) with (...) they'll (...) but I (...) like (...) people (...) I (...) such (...) them. I believe it was implimented temporarily for the Civil War by (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Can Harry Browne do it? —Larry Pieniazek

(...) It's true, except for during the civil war. It was unconstitutional, and as proof I point out that a constitutional amendment was required to get it past the supreme court which routinely struck down any income tax laws (they were steamrolled (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Can Harry Browne do it? —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Indeed. Don't get ME started either. The Commission on Presidential Debates is a "bipartisan" not "nonpartisan" and the bar has been set so high to ensure no candidate other than a demopublican can participate. This enusures perpetuation of (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Can Harry Browne do it? —Jim Hughes

(...) Yes, he'll get 1M votes. Keep in mind that in years w/o a hi-profile 3rd party candidate, such as Nader or Perot the Libertarians always place 3rd in the national election, and in years with those types of candidates they always place 4th. I (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Can Harry Browne do it? —Scott Arthur

(...) I think the only really way to waste your vote is to not vote. It is a bit of a tangent, but I think we should all be forced to vote - as long as there was an option to vote for no candidate. In some parts of the UK turnout can be below 50%, (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Can Harry Browne do it? —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Agreed!!! I always vote. Already *have* voted in this election, in fact. (...) I'd support that. If in turn (and this is a serious LP proposal by the way, YCLIU) if No Candidate got a plurality, that the office was unfunded and unstaffed that (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Can Harry Browne do it? —Scott Arthur

(...) Indeed: "The most important job is not to be governor, or first lady in my case." From: (URL) A (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Can Harry Browne do it? —Larry Pieniazek

(...) up, they're almost as hilarious as Quayle-isms. Does grammar matter? Here's Roger Ebert's view: (URL) is a very well known film critic who doesn't make a secret of his politics. As a political pundit, he's a pretty good film critic. But he's (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Can Harry Browne do it? —James Powell

(...) "And Who's going to be president, Tweedle Dumb or Tweedle Dumber..." (a free Lego piece to the first one to ID the singer :) I'm of the oppnion that you need a scorecard to tell just where the 2 of them stand as regards a issue...and it had (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Can Harry Browne do it? —Christopher L. Weeks

(...) But you only need one score card since they have all the same opinions. They both say things like "unlike my oponent, I want better schools through a system of increased accountability." It's actually a riot to listen to what phonies they both (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Can Harry Browne do it? —Scott Arthur

(...) One should remember that while policies may be the same, the manner in which those policies are reached may be different. Additionally, one should consider who each would react in unpredicted situations. Scott A (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Can Harry Browne do it? —Christopher L. Weeks

(...) them (...) system (...) That _could_ be the case, but in this real case, it isn't. The differences between their policies are miniscule. (...) I think that your use of who is a fortuitous typo. I'm pretty sure you meant how. The reality is (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Can Harry Browne do it? —Scott Arthur

(...) I suppose you could. I also suppose you'd be correct to do so. Right now, this is because the US is going to look silly if the other guy does get it. However, I think staying Democrat will be better for America – even though Gore is a little (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Can Harry Browne do it? —Kevin Bannister

(...) Ani Difranco. :) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: Can Harry Browne do it? —Mike Stanley

(...) I voted for Harry last week, along with a local school teacher running on the LP ticket for my district's congressional seat (Republican incumbant - Democrats aren't even fielding a candidate). I'm not sure I care if he can "do it" or not - I (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Can any third party candidate do it? (was Re: Can Harry Browne do it?) —Shiri Dori

Hi Todd- A vote is never wasted, IMHO. Personally, if I could, I'd vote for Nader. In MA, that is. In a swing state, no (anything to keep Bush from becoming president...). Then again; I'm not a US citizen, nor over 18. Oh well. It seems to me that (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Can any third party candidate do it? (was Re: Can Harry Browne do it?) —Larry Pieniazek

(...) A trivia point: The first woman to get an Electoral College vote... was no Geraldine Ferraro! It was a Libertarian, several elections earlier. Of course, after that electoral college voter voted his conscience, the laws of his state were (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Can any third party candidate do it? (was Re: Can Harry Browne do it?) —Shiri Dori

(...) Me too. Elections are complex enough as is, no need to make it more confusing for the people with indirect voting. What you get is in fact not people's wishes. (...) Yep. I've actually spent the past few weeks learning about that. I'm pretty (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Can Harry Browne do it? —John DiRienzo

I voted for the exact same reason. I am sorry to say Harry Browne fared worse this year than he did 4 years ago. however, that is probably due to the closeness of the race, and the fear instilled by the cnadidates, members of the media, of what (...) (24 years ago, 9-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)