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Re: The beginning of the end of NATO?
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Wed, 12 Feb 2003 19:26:07 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Pedro Silva writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> > > AAbout the 'meddling' in '14, '39, '60...
> > >
> > > Hmmm, '60 was a US statement against 'Communism'--ulterior motive
> >
> > Overrunning of Europe by the Warsaw Pact. Of course, it may not have
> > happened even if the US went back into its shell, but the arm-twisting would
> > have been there in any case. I suppose historians might pick a different
> > year or even a whole set of them.
> >
> > >
> > > '39--well, US wasn't 'meddling' in that one until they were dragged into it
> > > in '41.
> >
> > Roosevelt was meddling for all he was worth prior to actual combat.
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> Alone. And out of principles, at least until '41. One point for him :-)
Yeah, love the planes across the border--thanks!
> > > And I reiterate--the cause for '39 in the first place was the
> > > idiotic policies levied on a country where the citizens were starving and
> > > downtrodden in the first place--a perfect incubator for someone like AH to
> > > rise to power...
> >
> > So, Wilson didn't meddle enough at the end of WWI in getting the Allies to
> > accept his plans for post-war Europe? :-)
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> Part that, but he also had the misfortune to have a stroke just as he was
> about to convince the Senate to join the SoN.
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> In any case, the partition of Europe in 1919-21 was done so poorly that
> future conflict was inevitable. In many ways WW1 was only suspended for 21
> years...
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> > > And I may also reiterate--if we spent half the resources on Germany before
> > > '39 that we ended up spending during and after the war, there would have
> > > been no war.
> >
> > You mean all those resourses that the US had during the depression?
> > (jusssssst teasing)
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> No, the resources that America had in 1923 (when Germany was starving).
> But even such help might not have been needed if France hadn't insisted in
> heavy war reparations - ultimately, everyone (inc. Wilson) failed to
> convince the French to abdicate those. The good thing is the lesson was
> learnt since :-)
Getting a bombed out, poor, defeated country to make reparations possibly
wans't the best of ideas, but wasn't it more than just France that was
liking this idea?
>
> > > But there's that brick wall again--people who want war cannot be convinced
> > > that peace is a better solution.
> > >
> > > Maybe it's something in the water...
> >
> >
> > You mean Dubya isn't drinking rainwater and pure grain alchohol only
> > anymore? Oh no, that must mean he's been infected by flouidation!
>
> Or he's drinking rainwater with a low pH... ;-)
>
> > I'd encourage Bush to watch Dr. Strangelove, but I have this sneaking
> > suspicion he'd get the wong message and start saying that Saddam was trying
> > to poison our precious bodily fluids. POE. OPE. PEO. What the heck is
> > that recall code....?
>
> I'd encourage him to read a book about gardening; with some luck, he'd start
> devoting his atention to flowers rather than *mushrooms*... :-P
>
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> Pedro
I just wish that he was as 'convincable' as the robot tank that Marvin
stopped on the causeway in Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy--"Hells Bells!"
said the robot as he plummeted to his doom...
Dave K
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| (...) Complicated answer: At first, France's stubborness in getting heavy reparations was crucial to have them made *at all*; the Brits would have settled for the dismantling of the German and Austro-hungarian Empires, the Russians had their own (...) (22 years ago, 12-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Alone. And out of principles, at least until '41. One point for him :-) (...) Part that, but he also had the misfortune to have a stroke just as he was about to convince the Senate to join the SoN. In any case, the partition of Europe in (...) (22 years ago, 12-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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