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Re: The beginning of the end of NATO?
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Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:16:40 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes:
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:

Or, better, bring [our troops] home.

And while you're withdrawing your troops from non-US countries, please
remove your diplomats, your meddling, and your arms sales from any country
that is not yours.

I would certainly support that plan.  Can we rely on our allies in France
(for example) likewise to cease the sale of arms to any country that doesn't
belong to France?

Usually the list of Who The US Won't Sell To is the same as the list that
France Will Sell To.  Pretty much where there is a demand, there will be a
supply.

As to meddling, David (not Dave!), at what point should the US have stopped
"medlling" in the affairs of other nations?  1914?  1939?  1960?  Or only
now?  I'm just trying to find out if you are against all meddling, or just
specific meddling.  Are you advocating that Canada removes all its
diplomats, too.  Countries shouldn't have any means of communication open?

-->Bruce<--

It's the inconsistent foreign policy that I really want to see the end of.

I was being a little 'over the top' to make the point, but it's like, "Hey
Joe Schmoo, until you get your act together, don't bother coming out!"

So yes, I was a little harsh with the 'meddling' comment, but when you beat
your head against the brick wall known as 'US arrogant intervention'...

Stay tuned for "Bush the Sequel--Hell bent on leading the world into a war
it cannot afford, nor does it need"

AAbout the 'meddling' in '14, '39, '60...

Hmmm, '60 was a US statement against 'Communism'--ulterior motive

'39--well, US wasn't 'meddling' in that one until they were dragged into it
in '41.  And I reiterate--the cause for '39 in the first place was the
idiotic policies levied on a country where the citizens were starving and
downtrodden in the first place--a perfect incubator for someone like AH to
rise to power...

And I may also reiterate--if we spent half the resources on Germany before
'39 that we ended up spending during and after the war, there would have
been no war.

But there's that brick wall again--people who want war cannot be convinced
that peace is a better solution.

Maybe it's something in the water...

Dave



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(...) I pretty much figured all this, but I thought you might want an opportunity to explain further. :-) (...) I think the UN has do a less slacker-like performance in regards to its sanctions against Iraq if it wants to have any moral authority, (...) (22 years ago, 12-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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(...) Usually the list of Who The US Won't Sell To is the same as the list that France Will Sell To. Pretty much where there is a demand, there will be a supply. As to meddling, David (not Dave!), at what point should the US have stopped "medlling" (...) (22 years ago, 12-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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