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Re: The beginning of the end of NATO?
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Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:53:29 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes:
> > As to meddling, David (not Dave!), at what point should the US have stopped
> > "medlling" in the affairs of other nations? 1914? 1939? 1960? Or only
> > now? I'm just trying to find out if you are against all meddling, or just
> > specific meddling. Are you advocating that Canada removes all its
> > diplomats, too. Countries shouldn't have any means of communication open?
> >
> > -->Bruce<--
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> It's the inconsistent foreign policy that I really want to see the end of.
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> I was being a little 'over the top' to make the point, but it's like, "Hey
> Joe Schmoo, until you get your act together, don't bother coming out!"
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> So yes, I was a little harsh with the 'meddling' comment, but when you beat
> your head against the brick wall known as 'US arrogant intervention'...
I pretty much figured all this, but I thought you might want an opportunity
to explain further. :-)
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> Stay tuned for "Bush the Sequel--Hell bent on leading the world into a war
> it cannot afford, nor does it need"
I think the UN has do a less slacker-like performance in regards to its
sanctions against Iraq if it wants to have any moral authority, but, no, I
don't see how this war is going to be advantagous even from the narrow
interest of the US.
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> AAbout the 'meddling' in '14, '39, '60...
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> Hmmm, '60 was a US statement against 'Communism'--ulterior motive
Overrunning of Europe by the Warsaw Pact. Of course, it may not have
happened even if the US went back into its shell, but the arm-twisting would
have been there in any case. I suppose historians might pick a different
year or even a whole set of them.
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> '39--well, US wasn't 'meddling' in that one until they were dragged into it
> in '41.
Roosevelt was meddling for all he was worth prior to actual combat.
> And I reiterate--the cause for '39 in the first place was the
> idiotic policies levied on a country where the citizens were starving and
> downtrodden in the first place--a perfect incubator for someone like AH to
> rise to power...
So, Wilson didn't meddle enough at the end of WWI in getting the Allies to
accept his plans for post-war Europe? :-)
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> And I may also reiterate--if we spent half the resources on Germany before
> '39 that we ended up spending during and after the war, there would have
> been no war.
You mean all those resourses that the US had during the depression?
(jusssssst teasing)
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> But there's that brick wall again--people who want war cannot be convinced
> that peace is a better solution.
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> Maybe it's something in the water...
You mean Dubya isn't drinking rainwater and pure grain alchohol only
anymore? Oh no, that must mean he's been infected by flouidation!
I'd encourage Bush to watch Dr. Strangelove, but I have this sneaking
suspicion he'd get the wong message and start saying that Saddam was trying
to poison our precious bodily fluids. POE. OPE. PEO. What the heck is
that recall code....?
-->Bruce<--
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| (...) Alone. And out of principles, at least until '41. One point for him :-) (...) Part that, but he also had the misfortune to have a stroke just as he was about to convince the Senate to join the SoN. In any case, the partition of Europe in (...) (22 years ago, 12-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Maybe one of our friends from across the pond can help out here, but there's apparently a satirical stage play now running in the UK that's almost as farcical as the real-world farce playing out under Bush. I think it even has direct and (...) (22 years ago, 12-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) It's the inconsistent foreign policy that I really want to see the end of. I was being a little 'over the top' to make the point, but it's like, "Hey Joe Schmoo, until you get your act together, don't bother coming out!" So yes, I was a little (...) (22 years ago, 12-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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