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| | | | | Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color) —Mike Stanley
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| | | | (...) A LOT of Christians don't believe Hell is just the absence of God (eternal lonliness maybe, or do you mean annihilation?) - they literally believe it is a real lake of fire into which all the bad people will be thrown, to burn and be tortured (...) (25 years ago, 19-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color) —John Neal
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| | | | | Mike Stanley wrote:But COME ON, eternal damnation? I'm supposed to believe that an (...) Think of it this way, Mike. God isn't the one doing the damning. There are people who hate the light and love darkness. Even faced with God in His glory, *they (...) (25 years ago, 19-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color) —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | (...) So you're saying that you believe that people will literally burn for all eternity in Hell? That God, in his infinite wisdom, knowledge, love, and compassion, could actually allow that to happen? Why? What possible point could there be for (...) (25 years ago, 19-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color) —John Neal
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| | | | | | Mike Stanley wrote: ???!! I never said anything about burning, literary or no. What I said was that there are people who would *choose* to not be with God (my definition of Heaven) because they *hate* the light and love the darkness. It is *their* (...) (25 years ago, 19-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color) —Simon Robinson
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| | | | | | | (...) that there (...) because they (...) will. They (...) love of (...) their (...) But if it's they're decision, doesn't that imply they would have the power to reverse that decision? Christian theologies may differ on interpretation of hell, but (...) (25 years ago, 19-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color) —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) Who *really* knows? I'm more interested in living life here and now on earth. We'll all find out the hard way soon enough as it is;-) (...) As I mentioned before, it is the view in a book by CS Lewis entitled The Great Divorce. It's a story (...) (25 years ago, 20-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color) —Ed Jones
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| | | | | | | | I don't believe in an afterlife. Dead is dead. IMO, people create their own "Heaven" and/or "Hell" while they are alive. Of course the best argument for this is simply: If there is afterbirth, there must be afterlife. :') (25 years ago, 20-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color) —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | (...) What about those ignorant of the process of salvation? Through what mechanism does a stone age native of Borneo avoid separation from God? --Chris (25 years ago, 27-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color) —Tom McDonald
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| | | | | | (...) was that there (...) because they (...) will. They (...) love of (...) honors their (...) Do you want a Sunday School answer, or one of my long-winded dissertations? :-) -Tom McD. when replying, "..and now here's your host, Wink Spamcake!" (25 years ago, 28-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | (...) What are the other choices? <grins, ducks and runs> IIRC Catholicism holds that these souls will go to purgatory to be evaluated further. IOW, it's OK to be ignorant if you lived righteously, but if some missionary came to you and gave you the (...) (25 years ago, 28-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color) —Tom McDonald
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| | | | | | | | | (...) (Tom then quickly submits Larry's email address to a subscription of an online papal newsletter, grins, ducks, and runs the other way ;-) (...) Off-hand, that sounds works-based. (...) Theoretically, if one was living righteously one wouldn't (...) (25 years ago, 28-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color) —Jesse Long
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| | | | | | | | | | Tom McDonald <radiotitan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote in message news:FH7715.B0z@lugnet.com... (...) Well, I've talked to a lot of old school Catholics, and they're pretty bent on the works side of salvation. I think it's leftovers from the (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color) —Jesse Long
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| | | | | | | | Larry Pieniazek <lar@voyager.net> wrote in message news:37C75232.865AD2...ger.net... (...) I find it interesting how you make your own judgements about what is righteous and what is groveling, and then condemn God for not living up to your own (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | I find it interesting that you can twist around what I say so remarkably, since it seems to be one of your hot buttons to accuse others of twisting YOUR words. Your god requires worship in a specific way. Why is that not groveling? My morality is (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color) —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | (...) You misunderstand the purpose of worship. Worship is *not* required nor needed by God, but is the natural expression of thanks by His people for what God has done/is doing/will do. Worship should be joyful. What God requires of us is to love (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color) —Ed Jones
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) judge, (...) Then explain why so many religions teach that they are the ONLY correct religion, that only THEY worship god correctly and that only THEY will go to heaven (Baptists, Catholics, Orthodox, etc.) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color) —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) They're getting it wrong? Steve (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Can I use that as a test of valid religion, then? If they say they are the one true faith, they aren't??? That would help winnow a LOT of them out. (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color) —Jesse Long
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| | | | | | | | | | | Ed Jones <edboxer@aol.com> wrote in message news:FHByEv.FoH@lugnet.com... (...) to (...) If you're speaking of different religions, such as Christianity vs. Islam, it's because of differences in opinion in what counts as Holy text. If you're (...) (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Jesse Long writes: [snip] (...) WHile in college, I took a philosophy of religion class. The first week of the course was religious history. The remaining 9 weeks of the course consisted of nothing more than a (...) (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Larry Pieniazek <lar@voyager.net> wrote in message news:37CC3897.1147B7...ger.net... (...) People can disagree on the details and still be one true faith, unless you define one true faith as 100% the same across the board, which doesn't happen (...) (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Road to Atheism (Was Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color) —Selçuk Göre
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| | | | | | | | | | | Wow , same style of thinking..:-) Just check out my comments on the first religion debate: (URL) Hey friends, do you ever think about this?..All of the religions has their own types of ceremonies (I can't find a better word) and beliefs, which are (...) (25 years ago, 2-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color) —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Well, I think the *idea* might come from the thought that, if I'm going to believe something, it had better be right! So it's more "we have the answers as revealed to us" and less "we are right, and you are wrong" Because to tell you the (...) (25 years ago, 8-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | arry Pieniazek <lar@voyager.net> wrote in message news:37CB60B3.98E448...ger.net... (...) What have a twisted? You decry my/our/Christians' concept of God because the God you see in the Bible doesn't live up to your definitions of justice, (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | (...) So no specific kind is required? False Idols are OK? Ikons are in, or out? Name in vain is OK? Which of the commandments do I have to keep? All 10? best of 7? Seems pretty specific to me there. OK, OK, part of the issue really is the many (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Larry Pieniazek <lar@voyager.net> wrote in message news:37CC346F.721177...ger.net... (...) Okay, that is "specific." Usually "specific" is referred to as meaning "stand up sit down say this get up sit down say that pray sing pray talk pray leave (...) (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | Much better, thank you. To a certain extent I already knew this but it needed articulating for everyone else. I'm gonna snip away most of what you and I said, but I still have to focus on this part... (...) You bet it is. LOL. THIS is why I say your (...) (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color) —Simon Robinson
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| | | | | | | | Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color) —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | (...) How about both? I know it's an old question, but I don't recall ever getting a reasonable answer. --Chris (25 years ago, 28-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | (...) There should be enough people that I can stand on top of a bunch of them, and clear the surface. Steve (25 years ago, 19-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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