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Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color)
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Thu, 19 Aug 1999 05:26:00 GMT
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johnneal@uswest.SPAMCAKEnet
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Todd Lehman wrote:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, "Jesse Long" <jesse.r.long@gte.net> writes:
> > Mike Stanley wrote:
> > > If the Lord gets the praise and glory when things go right, should he
> > > also get the opposite when things go horribly wrong?
> >
> > No, I think he should get more of the same. I don't blame God for the
> > things that happen in life--that's just life. I think it's more important
> > that no matter what happens, no matter how bad, God is still there for us
> > and will forgive and accept us if we ask. A lot of humans just back out and
> > never come back when hard times hit, leaving us to deal with our problems
> > alone. But He's always there.
>
> I've kind of always wondered: Is this mainly applicable for when bad things
> happen to good people? Or is He also there for someone who has done
> something really really bad? I mean, like, say someone makes a pact with
> the Devil. (I saw this in a Twilight Zone episode once.) Is He still there
> to support that person when the Devil comes back later to collect on his end
> of the bargain, or is that going too far?
>
> That is, if you sell your soul to the Devil, is He no longer there for you?
> As I understand it, He would not be there for a Vampire or a Witch or other
> undead because they no longer have souls (their souls left their bodies
> after they died).
>
> This makes me also wonder: Does the Devil have a soul? Does he have
> several? When you sell your soul to the Devil, does he keep it or destroy
> it? If he keeps it, does that mean that God would forgive the Devil if he
> asked forgiveness?
What, no winkies? I hope you're kidding, because you sound like the Church
Fathers in the first millenium discussing how many angels can fit on the head of
a pin. A lot of nonsense.
In my experience, there is no personified Devil, only the selfish and rebellious
nature in ourselves. Therein lies evil and the potential for evil. As for Hell,
I believe it is simply separation from God *by choice* (not God's choice) [1]
The greatest gift we have been given is life, and God wants us to have abundant
life. Jesus came to teach us that. So we thank God for everything in our lives,
whether it appears good or bad, because we cannot see the whole picture as God
does. And we trust God that it will all work out.
>
>
> --Todd
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