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Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color)
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Thu, 19 Aug 1999 05:10:09 GMT
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Todd Lehman <lehman@javanet.com> wrote in message
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> I've kind of always wondered: Is this mainly applicable for when bad • things
> happen to good people? Or is He also there for someone who has done
> something really really bad? I mean, like, say someone makes a pact with
> the Devil. (I saw this in a Twilight Zone episode once.) Is He still • there
> to support that person when the Devil comes back later to collect on his • end
> of the bargain, or is that going too far?
Isn't that Faust? Interestingly, every time that play resurfaced in a new
era it had a different ending. There's the original Faust and the French
one and the Age of Reason one, I think.
I don't think anyone is too far gone (until you're dead, and a few people
believe you get another chance after you die).
> That is, if you sell your soul to the Devil, is He no longer there for • you?
> As I understand it, He would not be there for a Vampire or a Witch or • other
> undead because they no longer have souls (their souls left their bodies
> after they died).
I've never seen a witch referred to as undead. Where did you dig that up?
Boy, I'm bad on the puns tonight.
I suppose you could say that we've all sold our souls in the first place,
and that Christ was buying them back when He died.
> This makes me also wonder: Does the Devil have a soul? Does he have
> several? When you sell your soul to the Devil, does he keep it or destroy
> it? If he keeps it, does that mean that God would forgive the Devil if he
> asked forgiveness?
I think religiously "soul" is considered the metaphysical mesh of the body
and the spirit. Which would mean the Devil probably doesn't have a soul.
God and angels are spirits, without physical bodies, so the Devil, as a
fallen angel, probably doesn't have a body, just a spirit. But that may be
splitting hairs in a semantic sense.
That last question is pretty interesting. Would God forgive the Devil if
asked? It appears to me (without being a divinity scholar) that angels
(normal and fallen) have not displayed any freedom of choice since the
Rebellion. I don't know. It's not possible, so I haven't thought about it.
Jesse
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