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Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color)
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:56:16 GMT
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johnneal@uswest.net[saynotospam]
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Mike Stanley wrote:
???!! I never said anything about burning, literary or no. What I said was that there
are people who would *choose* to not be with God (my definition of Heaven) because they
*hate* the light and love the darkness. It is *their* choice, not God's will. They
could be with God if they wanted to, but because of their pride, arrogance, love of
darkness, etc, *THEY* choose not to-- and God, the giver of free will, honors their
decision.
> So you're saying that you believe that people will literally burn for
> all eternity in Hell? That God, in his infinite wisdom, knowledge,
> love, and compassion, could actually allow that to happen? Why? What
> possible point could there be for something like that?
>
> And please don't throw the "ways of God are unknowable to man" crap at
> me - I hate that.
The ways of God (while not in detail) ARE known to us-- that is why Jesus came, to
teach us.
> If I understand things correctly about the endtimes and all that, once
> people actually end up in Hell, along with Satan and Damien, there
> won't be anymore world like this where people are born, have free
> will, live mortal lives, etc. It'll be one gigantic love-in where we
> all sit around happy that we're in the kingdom of God.
This is not a correct understanding of the end times. No one knows, so while it might
be fun to speculate, that's all it is-- speculation. Remember, we're talking about
infinite things, concepts, etc, which a finite understanding (ours) can't grasp.
> At that point, what possible purpose, other than satisfying a
> God-sized ego or being able, FOR ALL ETERNITY, to say, "nyah, nyah, I
> told you I'd win and you picked the losing side" would there be for
> Hell?
>
> God may not be the one making the damning decisions, but he sure as
> heck would be the warden of the ultimate torture chamber/prison.
Again, I define Hell as "separation from God" The torture or whatever you want to call
it is existing apart from God, WHICH IS SELF-IMPOSED.
-John
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