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Subject: 
Re: "The Constitution is what the judges say it is"
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date: 
Wed, 17 Oct 2001 11:43:28 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> 
> > So you think I'm less free as I don't/can't have a gun, even though I would
> > feel less free if I did have one? I’d rather have real freedoms than
> > theoretical ones!
> 
> I said nothing about guns in specific.  Nor does this address what I said:
> you can give up a freedom for security.  Okay, this is what you have done:
> you can't carry a gun, but you feel more secure because of it.  You'd rather
> have the security of not having to worry about guns.  That's okay.  I'm not
> trying to debate whether that is the correct decision.  But you have given
> up a real freedom (of debatable value, but a *real* one) for something that
> is better defined as a security, and not a freedom.


Hmm. I see your point. Secure means this:
"able to avoid being harmed by any risk, danger or threat"

Simply, free means this "not limited or controlled".

I think the UK being "gun free", gives me both.

I suppose another freedom I have lost which has given me more freedom is the
freedom to drive as fast as I wish. The fact that the limit on my street is
20 mph (~33km/h ?) means that I am not "not limited or controlled" by the
fact that I have motorway speeds (70mph in the UK) outside my home.

Scott A


> Bruce



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  Re: "The Constitution is what the judges say it is"
 
(...) I said nothing about guns in specific. Nor does this address what I said: you can give up a freedom for security. Okay, this is what you have done: you can't carry a gun, but you feel more secure because of it. You'd rather have the security (...) (25 years ago, 16-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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