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Re: "Centuries old piece of paper" still pretty darn good
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Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:02:30 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In: http://news.lugnet.com/off-topic/debate/?n=13712
What have I done now!?
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> Scott Arthur derides the US constitution with these words:
I see.
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> > It means that we have a legal framework which reflects the way
> > we live today. We are not held ransom by a bunch of politically
> > appointed lawyers arguing over semantics based on a centuries
> > old piece of paper.
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> Well that "centuries old piece of paper" (parchment, actually) has kept us
> free, despite his scorn for it.
Do you agree with my words?
lol. You make it sound like I've been trying to burn the thing since it was
penned!
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> Freer than he is, in fact, although he'll never admit it.
Tell that to the communists and Japanese Americans who per periscuted in the
name of freedom in your fair land.
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> He prefers to be ruled by fiats and regulations often developed and imposed,
> without specific debate, by ministers who serve a government elected by a
> bare majority (or less if it is a coalition)
Hmm Let me see. Who had the most votes Gore or Bush?
> and protected by empty
> assurances of rights rather than by principles that take a lot MORE than a
> bare majority to overturn, because they are Constitutional Amendments.
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> Here's an op ed piece I found rather touching.
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> http://writ.news.findlaw.com/hamilton/20011011.html
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> Read it.
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> ... and think about what it says before you (collective you, I mean any of
> you, not just Scott) slur those who are true to its principles even if they
> oppose the whim of the moment, or slur those who would take up arms to
> defend it, here OR abroad, or slur those who think we do live in the best
> and most free country in the world and are proud enough to say so.
You sound bitter Larry. Tell me, does your piece of paper tell you what
freedom means? Does it tell you what liberty means? Does it tell you what
freedom of speech means? Does it tell you what truth means? If so, you would
do well to read it and then reply to this:
http://news.lugnet.com/off-topic/debate/?n=13431
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> I know who my friends are. And who they are not.
I'm not getting a Christmas card then?
I really do worry about you Larry. I really do. I though you'd like this:
"The Constitution gives every American the inalienable right to make a damn
fool of himself." (John Ciardi)
Scott A
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