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Re: "Centuries old piece of paper" still pretty darn good
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Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:02:30 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
In: http://news.lugnet.com/off-topic/debate/?n=13712

What have I done now!?


Scott Arthur derides the US constitution with these words:

I see.


It means that we have a legal framework which reflects the way
we live today. We are not held ransom by a bunch of politically
appointed lawyers arguing over semantics based on a centuries
old piece of paper.

Well that "centuries old piece of paper" (parchment, actually) has kept us
free, despite his scorn for it.

Do you agree with my words?


lol. You make it sound like I've been trying to burn the thing since it was
penned!


Freer than he is, in fact, although he'll never admit it.

Tell that to the communists and Japanese Americans who per periscuted in the
name of freedom in your fair land.


He prefers to be ruled by fiats and regulations often developed and imposed,
without specific debate, by ministers who serve a government elected by a
bare majority (or less if it is a coalition)

Hmm Let me see. Who had the most votes Gore or Bush?

and protected by empty
assurances of rights rather than by principles that take a lot MORE than a
bare majority to overturn, because they are Constitutional Amendments.

Here's an op ed piece I found rather touching.

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/hamilton/20011011.html

Read it.

... and think about what it says before you (collective you, I mean any of
you, not just Scott) slur those who are true to its principles even if they
oppose the whim of the moment, or slur those who would take up arms to
defend it, here OR abroad, or slur those who think we do live in the best
and most free country in the world and are proud enough to say so.

You sound bitter Larry. Tell me, does your piece of paper tell you what
freedom means? Does it tell you what liberty means? Does it tell you what
freedom of speech means? Does it tell you what truth means? If so, you would
do well to read it and then reply to this:
http://news.lugnet.com/off-topic/debate/?n=13431


I know who my friends are. And who they are not.

I'm not getting a Christmas card then?

I really do worry about you Larry. I really do. I though you'd like this:

"The Constitution gives every American the inalienable right to make a damn
fool of himself." (John Ciardi)

Scott A



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(...) I don't send Christmas cards, I'm not christian. But you won't be getting a Winter Solstice card either, no. (...) Charitably, we even extend that right to foreigners (speaking on American soil, which this venue is an outpost of) such as (...) (23 years ago, 12-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Scott A" <eh105jb@mx1.pair.com> wrote in message news:<GL3oK6.4E4@lugnet.com>... (...) us (...) What, no answer? (...) was (...) the (...) What, no answer? (...) imposed, (...) What, no answer? Scott A (23 years ago, 14-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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In: (URL) Arthur derides the US constitution with these words: (...) Well that "centuries old piece of paper" (parchment, actually) has kept us free, despite his scorn for it. Freer than he is, in fact, although he'll never admit it. He prefers to (...) (23 years ago, 12-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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