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Re: "The Constitution is what the judges say it is"
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Tue, 16 Oct 2001 16:37:44 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > What I was talking about was how in the USA the main political parties are
> > hugely indebted to their sponsors.
>
> And reform in this area is coming -- give it time. Even the two party
> system is slowly but surely under attack. Again, time will correct these issues.
>
> As far as the whole gun thing goes: Sorry to disappoint you but I believe
> that the ruling class should always bear arms -- as both a right and a duty,
> for ourselves and the protection of others. For God and country, if you
> will. Free men bear arms.
Mature democracies outlaw them. :-)
> And you seem to be caught up in some extended socialist whirlwind. In the
> U.S. we are not. We would rather live free than have to be responsible for
> one another BY LAW. I prefer giving to charities of my choosing rather than
> be destrained to it by the threat of force. Some deserve only my pity, not
> my funding.
In my ideal there would be no charities. We can save that one for later.
>
> Isn't it the case that your country is in deep s**t as concerns the staffing
> of hospitals and healthcare facilites?
Scotland - not really
England - hmm
London - Yes
> Isn't it the case that people wait
> for months to see a practitioner and even then they may have to wait months
> for subsequent treatment?
GP on demand (walk-in clinic)
Specialist in less than 1 month (I'm not sure about how much less).
After that, one is ranked in some way.
But, if an individual is seriously ill obviously the treatment is completed
in a matter of hours. Likewise for accidents.
> Isn't it the case that sending people abroad,
> probably to Europe, to obtain medical care is being considered by your govt.
> because of this healthcare crisis?
In some areas yes. Our system is overloaded during the winter months (slips
and flu). Rather than have slack capacity for 10 months, some people argue
that we should use slack overseas (Germany). Economically it make sense.
> Isn't it true that people lose their
> jobs, unable to perform their duties, because they can't get healthcare
> within a reasonable time?
It is true that some people work the system. I know of nobody this has
happened to who did not want it to happen.
> Pardon me if I remain unimpressed with your
> "amazing" national healthcare system, but these problems don't exactly fill
> me with envy.
You have not answered my questions about your system?
>
> The last time I needed healthcare services it cost me bundle out of my own
> pocket, but the service was fast (same day) and I didn't lose my finger (in
> fact, except for some very minor nerve damage, the thing looks almost as
> good as new -- I am typing with it now!). I think I got good value for the
> money.
Private healthcare is available in the UK too.
>
> You said your examples were caricatures. They were -- on both sides of the
> equation. I remain mystified by some of the points you are trying to make.
> Can you clarify, or are you just taking shots at our way of life in the U.S.
> for no reason? It certainly feels like that, Scott.
Not my intention Richard.
Scott A
>
> -- Hop-Frog
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