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(...) The operative word being "I". ROSCO (20 years ago, 11-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I know this is a kind of dead topic, but I was watching the AFI Top 100 movie songs and I just had to juxtapose the statement above and the Mel Brooks' satirical song meant to be the ultimate in bad taste: Springtime for Hitler Germany was (...) (20 years ago, 11-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I do not think that is truly representing it accurately. It was Dubya's staff that rather willfully read into the intelligence what they wanted to hear, or possibly exploited what was there by presenting what the higher ups wanted/expected to (...) (20 years ago, 11-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, I happen to find the things Man finds worthful completely worthless. Monetary wealth? Success? Fame? Getting laid? Or happiness? Even happiness for its own sake is empty. (...) At the very least, focusing on God turns our narcissistic (...) (20 years ago, 11-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The point is that Dubya did not invent the intelligence and mislead us into war. Everyone was mislead including Dubya. (...) Well the last pro-Kerry Ad I heard on the radio says that John Kerry stands by his descision to vote for military (...) (20 years ago, 11-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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I'm not a Republican. I'm not a Democrat. I find both major candidates bad choices. I plan to vote for Bandarek unless it is looking really close in Michigan, in which case I will hold my nose and vote for Kerry. (1) But here is a viewpoint from a (...) (20 years ago, 11-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Two very worthy distinctions otherwise lost on many of the most enthusiastic christians. God doesn't seem to do much for athiests. And people who can't find any value in life without the need to resort to a god seem to me to have something of (...) (20 years ago, 11-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ha! Well my version would be: "God gives Christians self-worth. Life without God, if examined theologically, is worthless" ROSCO (20 years ago, 11-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Bumped to commemorate the 3rd anniversary. AC Pin (20 years ago, 11-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Is this the secular version of "an eye for an eye"? (...) All Christians? (...) Any specific examples in mind? (he asked knowingly) (...) Okay, someone from Vietnam comes to live in the US and continues to fry up cats and dogs for meals. Any (...) (20 years ago, 11-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That is why Jesus summed it up nicely into: "Love God with all of your heart, soul and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself." That's all you really need to know and do. But I think you are being a little disingenuous WRT to worshipping (...) (20 years ago, 10-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Any God who would be so deliberately vague (which is to say deceptive (which is to say evil)) as to prevent easy comprehension of the correct meaning of his One Word on Earth is unworthy of my worship. (...) Do you accept that the examination (...) (20 years ago, 10-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I think the OT is just as foreign to a modern Jew who reads Hebrew as it is to a Western American. To really understand it, one must have a knowledge of ancient Judaism and all of its culture and practices. Many of those traditions have been (...) (20 years ago, 10-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It is the best Trek-- "That's alright with me, I just bought a boat..." "Still think we're finished?"--"More than ever..." "Note to Galley; Romulan Ale no longer to be served at diplomatic functions" Ahhh, what a flick! Dave K (20 years ago, 10-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Watching (URL) Star Trek VI> again, are we? Dave! (20 years ago, 10-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) Kinda like the cartoon that 'Fundie' Christians love to trot out in their newsletters--guy at funeral--'Poor old athiest Joe, all dressed up with nowhere to go' Beyond that, when (...) (20 years ago, 10-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's not a primer, but it does tell the stories in plain langugage. And as far as I can tell, it's just as accurate as the Hebrew version (so the random english translation bit from your argument can be dropped). (...) So any criticism of the (...) (20 years ago, 10-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What if his goals are completely opaque to us? What if severing the restrictive ties of international prestige is a goal for the new world order crowd? What if handing an unquenchable mess to a Democrat so that four years later the next step (...) (20 years ago, 10-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) True peace will never exist as long as some people have things that other people want and have no way to obtain. I doubt very much that our species will ever solve this problem. On the bright side, I expect we'll use technology to outgrow our (...) (20 years ago, 10-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Do you mean (URL) (...) Clinton still says this, but it still doesn't make a difference re: Dubya's choice to invade when he did and for the reasons that he gave. (...) Did Kerry make that statement? I don't deny it, though I haven't seen it. (...) (20 years ago, 10-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) John said "Bush is brilliant" and that is what I am arguing about. Not "Clinton is an idiot". John is playing a game: Bush is not responsible for anything that has gone wrong, it's all Somebody Else's Fault. Essentially, he's trying to drag (...) (20 years ago, 10-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) There haven't? This was in all the papers, news, etc. shortly after major combat was allegedly 'ended'. (...) But at the same time even Bill Clinton when president stated that sooner or later the U.S. would have to deal with Sadam and his (...) (20 years ago, 10-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) A couple of points: To date, no huge mass graves have been found, so we're left with the uncomfortable problem of explaining where the 1.5 million bodies went. And I'm not looking for Pol Pot's "show me the bodies, or else there was no (...) (20 years ago, 10-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) So what about the 1-2 hundred thousand Saddam was not able to kill as political prisoners? (the longer we go the highet that number gets) It is estimated he killed 1.5 million between the two Gulf wars. Now don't get me wrong there are a lot (...) (20 years ago, 10-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Dubya can't on one hand claim that the UN is irrelevant while on the other hand condemning Saddam for disobeying the UN's resolutions. Additionally, it's not up to Bush to enforce the UN's resolutions; do you propose that the US act as the (...) (20 years ago, 10-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm usually wrong about how to reason with John, so maybe I should just shut up. But would it make things easier if those of us who think that Bush was seriously negligent in his handling of the intelligence regarding the 9/11 attack admitted (...) (20 years ago, 10-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Ah, okay; now I see where you were going with my hypothetical. With this knowledge, I think we can dispense with hypotheticals. (...) Hmmm. Right? No. Yes. Legally, of course, you have every right to do what you are doing and that is only (...) (20 years ago, 10-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I have some comment on the tip of my tongue about what you could be eating in the meantime, but somehow, (hint, it involves the President's last name) I'm not sure I can say that on Lugnet. _ :-0 - Is it still missing, by the way? (Munch's The (...) (20 years ago, 10-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I believe that military intervention was warranted, given Rez 1441 and SH's complete and incomprehensible stupidity about not coming clean WRT WMDs. If you are searching for a smoking idiot, surely it is he! (...) Hmmm. What is your evidence? (...) (20 years ago, 10-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Fair enough. (...) Okay. But I reserve the right to have you eat magpie and admit you were wrrrrr if they turn up in Syria or somewhere:-) (...) Check (URL) this> out. (...) And his triumphs, I presume. Fair enough. (...) Why no video? (...) (20 years ago, 10-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That would be included in what I said. However, there are no WoMD and no Al Qaeda connections. Bush can believe what he wants, but I am saying he should be held accountable for his mistakes. (...) He just released a new claim that America is (...) (20 years ago, 10-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You are counting embassy land as official territory of Australia, and that's fine. (...) Say it with pride, Ross! I salute Australians and their courage to stand up and offer their sons and daughters as sacrifices for the cause of Freedom. The (...) (20 years ago, 9-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, I believe Australia is also playing a small part in the "war on terror", as well as Iraq. I guess we haven't been as lucky as the US. (URL) well. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance, I guess. ROSCO (20 years ago, 9-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I believe that the Bush administration believed he had them and could at any time make them available to al-Qaeda. That was the source of the immediacy, not that some attack was imminent. (...) Do you have a better explanation of the (...) (20 years ago, 9-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Actually, I hadn't seen that piece, but I cited a few yesterday with the same sentiments (URL) HERE> (...) Is not the market a two-way street? They should need us as much as we them. (...) And therein lies the rub. Sure, what's the difference (...) (20 years ago, 9-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Are you referring to this op-ed piece cited in : (URL) MSNBC> (also cited in about a bazillion other places) (...) Don't confuse selling us something with not wanting our input into their internal processes. Our "friends" the Saudis are HAPPY (...) (20 years ago, 9-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) What is the link with Islam? I thought the trouble in the ME was due to Israeli nationalism, not Islam. Perhaps you could share your source with us? Scott A (20 years ago, 9-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Is the opposite not also true? If you think not, read what the Mitchell report says about Israeli schools. Scott A (20 years ago, 9-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) <snip> (...) <snip> (...) I wouldn't state that Dubya The Idiot did nothing. He did something--he told all his buddies--remember that many of them didn't, or wouldn't, fly in the preceeding weeks leading up to 9/11. Note that this pre 9/11 (...) (20 years ago, 9-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Look up the quote chain and you'll see I established "immenent use of WoMD". Basically, you are agreeing with me. All you did is weasel in the words "bad man". (...) You accept that lame explanation? You are satisfied with that? A shrug of the (...) (20 years ago, 9-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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