 | | Re: Arrogance floats amongst the stars...
|
|
(...) Dogs don't know any better. They didn't 10,000+ years ago, and they won't know any better 10,000+ years from now. Men, on the othe hand, are suppose to have this capacity for change, for conscious reasoning, for saying "Just because I can do (...) (20 years ago, 12-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Arrogance floats amongst the stars...
|
|
(...) Maybe Dave just realised it (again?)... it's easy to lose sight of how bad the bad guys are when what you mostly hear about is how bad the good guys are. Where was the outrage in the media at all the previous atrocities by the various thuggish (...) (20 years ago, 12-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Arrogance floats amongst the stars...
|
|
(...) [big snip] Doesn't seem that way. :) (...) I don't understand what's different? That's what it's always been about. (20 years ago, 12-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Arrogance floats amongst the stars...
|
|
I'm almost at a loss for words. At a time when the world's (including many Americans, btw) opinion was against Bush and Co. for their mismanagement of the Iraqi situation, those stupid <insert expletive here> go do what they did. I don't swear much, (...) (20 years ago, 12-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: I'm Glad Bush is Standing by Rumsfeld
|
|
(...) Let's just wait and see where the voting public lash their canoes... Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 12-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | I'm Glad Bush is Standing by Rumsfeld
|
|
It's a really good thing that Bush is standing by Rummy through the Iraqi prisoner abuse scandal. This means that George is caught in a classic Monkey Trap. In the jungle, they capture monkeys by cutting a hole in a coconut shell, chaining it to a (...) (20 years ago, 11-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Wining Hearts & Minds
|
|
(...) Mmmmm. I saw Geoffrey Robertson interviewed on (URL) Lateline> and while it wasn't the focus of the interview, he got to the nub of what concerns me about this. "...because what we're seeing here is not just the kind of abuse that happens in (...) (20 years ago, 11-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
|
| |
| | Re: Color Change - color names
|
|
"Kelly McKiernan" <kelly@anagrafyxx.com> wrote in message news:Hx9zyp.13J@lugnet.com... (...) Isn't it even worse when certain Nazis take a few newsgroup posts a little too seriously? ;) It's not like someone's really going to connect LEGO with (...) (20 years ago, 9-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: The Essay (was Re: The status of Iraq from a soldier who is there.)
|
|
(...) Oops. Is (URL) this> any better? (...) Read (URL) this>. (...) lol. So he only wanted to involve the international community on his terms? (...) BTW: I thought we'd already established that Bush is not interested in eliminating dictatorships (...) (20 years ago, 7-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
|
| |
| | Re: The Essay (was Re: The status of Iraq from a soldier who is there.)
|
|
(...) That's not really a good comparison, though. FOX is a 24-hour news/propaganda outlet, while ABC and NBC are entertainment channels with occasional news coverage (and pretty crappy coverage, at that). CBS is also an entertainment channel and (...) (20 years ago, 7-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
|
| |
| | Re: The Essay (was Re: The status of Iraq from a soldier who is there.)
|
|
(...) So Fox a free network channel has better ratings than CNN a 'pay for' cable channel. What does that have to do with ABC, NBC, and CBS (all free network channels) all having better ratings than Fox? (...) If you actually belive that, it (...) (20 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
|
| |
| | Yet another non-apology apology from the Right
|
|
(URL) Here's> Dubya, spreading diplomacy and understanding around the world with his politics of personal responsiblity. And here's the important bit: "I was sorry for the humiliation suffered by the Iraqi prisoners and the humiliation suffered by (...) (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
|
| |
| | Re: Color Change - color names
|
|
(...) It was intended in a sarcastic vein, which I appear to have failed to adequately express. I fully understand the logic behind calling it "Nazi grey" (I actually prefer "gun-metal grey"), on the basis that it's reported to be very close to the (...) (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
|
| |
| | Re: Color Change - color names
|
|
(...) FYI, you might find this post of interest: (URL) Though I get the impression that "Wehrmachtsgrau" doesn't necessarily imply "Nazi" but military or army gray, instead. At least Babel Fish says it means "Armed forces-grey". Mark (20 years ago, 6-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
|
| |
| | Re: Disney's public conscience
|
|
Who the heck is voting yes?! I went along to one of his book readings last summer. I was very impressed by him. After an hour of ranting and raving, he took questions from the floor (some from real cranks) for a further hour. He looks twice as big (...) (20 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: The Essay (was Re: The status of Iraq from a soldier who is there.)
|
|
(...) (URL) This> kills both your points. (...) The last time I looked the UN disarmed Iraq... then Bush invaded. (...) Why ask and then ignore the answer? (...) Who hand-picked the IGC? Who decides who gets power at the end of June? Who rigged the (...) (20 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
|
| |
| | Re: The Essay (was Re: The status of Iraq from a soldier who is there.)
|
|
(...) I wonder what Diem's thoughts on the matter would be? Pedro (20 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
|
| |
| | crime rates in NY and London
|
|
Ran across this article trolling for info about the Google IPO, if you can believe it. I can't comment on the accuracy(1) but I did find it interesting. (URL) particular I found this quote QUITE interesting: " As Eli Lehrer, a crime expert at the (...) (20 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: The Essay (was Re: The status of Iraq from a soldier who is there.)
|
|
(...) And yours aren't as well? (...) Fox is hardly the country's main news source. The much more liberal leaning ABC, NBC, and CBS are the big three. (...) Re-read the previous sentance as it answers your question. (...) The UN has never in its (...) (20 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
|
| |
| | Re: Wining Hearts & Minds
|
|
(...) He has to say the "s" word if he wants to play here again. Other offenders do not have to(1); but he does due to the way his "outburst" was used as axe grinding material (IRC). I hope I'm not betraying a confidence when I say I know he lurks (...) (20 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Wining Hearts & Minds
|
|
(...) Yep, and I don't want foot soldiers to carry the can for (URL) institutional failures> either: In a letter home earlier this year, Staff Sergeant Chip Frederick, one of the soldiers charged, said he had questioned some of the things that he (...) (20 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
|
| |
| | Re: Wining Hearts & Minds
|
|
(...) It is my opinion that Richard knows what he has to do to get the ban on posting access rescinded. It's my view he's chosen not to do those things. (20 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Wining Hearts & Minds
|
|
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote: <snip> (...) I've been meaning to ask, is Richard's ban permanent? I don't have any clue... -Evil Wayne (20 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Disney's public conscience
|
|
(URL) from the company that greenlighted "Haunted Mansion" and "The Jungle Book 2." (20 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Wining Hearts & Minds
|
|
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Don Heyse wrote: <snip> (...) I don't know but the charm, for me, has faded in o-t.d. I get all excited about something and I banter with Bruce, or Dave! But it's more effort now than it was before. It's like I have to (...) (20 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Wining Hearts & Minds
|
|
(...) Perhaps I'm unclear on your conception of The Big Picture. Here's mine, and I'd be interested to see how it fits alongside yours: The United States is widely perceived to be a hegemonic and militaristic juggernaut bent on securing its own (...) (20 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Wining Hearts & Minds
|
|
(...) What makes you think I'd want that? I'm lucky enough to live in a country which has a good range of independent national media which reports on domestic and international issues without feeling the need to wave my flag in my face. I know the (...) (20 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
|
| |
| | Re: Wining Hearts & Minds
|
|
(...) I can't retract it. It's just a question and an opinion. I'm just saying you *seem* much more unhappy now than you used to be. Do a search on in .debate on Scott Arthur. Then click on "prefer older" and compare the results. It would seem to me (...) (20 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Wining Hearts & Minds
|
|
(...) This is offensive. I demand you either substantiate or retract that statement! I joined AI in 1987 and opposed SH when Washington/London still supported him. I opposed Apartheid when Washington/London supported it.I’ve even castigated (...) (20 years ago, 5-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Wining Hearts & Minds
|
|
(...) here. People still swim in the ocean even though it's inhabited by sharks. However the media will always cover the shark bite stories because it's easy to sell pictures of shark bite violence. But they'll never tell you anything about the (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Wining Hearts & Minds
|
|
(...) Unfortunately, it's far too easy to justify countless small atrocities by invoking The Big Picture. Here's the well-known and prevailing wisdom on the matter (quoted here, but famous in general): (URL) more and more ugly details keep surfacing (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Wining Hearts & Minds
|
|
(...) I tend to agree with you there, however I suspect your heart and mind are set in their ways, regardless of how this particular event works out. Fortunately, according to the blog, some people (whom this actually concerns) are able to see the (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Being realistic
|
|
(...) (URL) Things are worse> than I understood: the CIA's former counter-terrorism chief Cofer Black has been quoted as saying about interrogation techniques that "after 9/11, the gloves came off". It is now being reported that there have been (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
|
| |
| | Re: Wining Hearts & Minds
|
|
(...) If it's "handled correctly" a lot of people will end up in the slammer: (URL) Against the law of war> "the laws of war require that all countries take the necessary steps to ensure that they are respected. All military personnel should receive (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
|
| |
| | Re: The Essay (was Re: The status of Iraq from a soldier who is there.)
|
|
(...) Inquirer (...) media" (...) relations. (...) over 80 (...) liberal (...) Your comment sounds more than a little subjective. (...) Rupert (...) So we agree that your country’s main TV news source is not liberal? (...) a fact. (...) is right (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
|
| |
| | Re: Wining Hearts & Minds
|
|
(...) (URL) particular incident may in fact do just that: Win some hearts and minds if it's handled correctly. (20 years ago, 4-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: The Essay (was Re: The status of Iraq from a soldier who is there.)
|
|
(...) Its relevant because most printed editorials in my local papers are liberal propaganda. (...) Yup, that is a good source of conservative propaganda. (...) See overall the media is dead center. That is why liberals think it is right wing biased (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
|
| |
| | Re: subtleties of diplomatic language (was Re: Sheikh Yassin)
|
|
(...) Well, let's be pragmatic about this. If Dubya complains about Sharon's choice to defy worldwide consensus and employ unilateral military intervention, then Dubya can hardly maintain his Straussian "invade them all and let Rumsfeld sort them (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
|
| |
| | subtleties of diplomatic language (was Re: Sheikh Yassin)
|
|
(...) (URL) 50 retired US diplomats> think Bush and Sharon are part of the problem; On Bush: "Your unabashed support of Sharon's extra-judicial assassinations, Israel's Berlin-Wall-like barrier, its harsh military measures in occupied territories (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
|
| |
| | Re: April 2004 Advice
|
|
Steve, if we all invested in gold, rather than the stock market, the stock market would fail. In fact, capitalism would fail! Good luck! Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
