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Re: The Essay (was Re: The status of Iraq from a soldier who is there.)
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Wed, 5 May 2004 22:42:48 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur wrote:
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So we agree that your country’s main TV news source is not liberal?
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Fox is hardly the country’s main news source. The much more liberal leaning
ABC, NBC, and CBS are the big three.
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This kills both your
points.
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So Fox a free network channel has better ratings than CNN a ‘pay for’ cable
channel. What does that have to do with ABC, NBC, and CBS (all free network
channels) all having better ratings than Fox?
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After all, as I already stated,
even Clinton when president, was on record as saying sooner or later the
US would have to deal with Saddam and his WoMD.
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The UN was dealing with him; Blix was doing a great job.
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The UN has never in its exsistence actually done anything.
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The last time I looked the UN disarmed Iraq... then Bush invaded.
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If you actually belive that, it certainly explains to me why you belive half the
stuff your saying. (Which to me sounds quite silly, though no doubt half the
stuff I say sounds silly to you.)
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In fact the
current Iraq operation merely marks the first time anyone actually asked
permission first.
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Why ask and then ignore the answer?
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Maybe Bush thought some other countries would actually want to eliminate a
dictorship. After all, true peace will never exist so long as we tolerate them.
(Which is what drives me up the wall when Bush says some ‘freindly’ countries
are our allies.)
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…yep, and Washington helped him every step of the way. Now Bush has
installed his own puppets.
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No he hasn’t.
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Who hand-picked the IGC? Who decides who gets power at the end of June? Who
rigged the Iraqi constitution?
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Funny that huh. Making sure there is a provision for freedom of religion while
at the same time trying to amend the US constituion to take it away. (Hmmm.
Maybe he is just waging a modern day crusade.)
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But if he does he will be making the same mistake as his
predecessors.
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Peace with a dictatorship is a farce, and in my opinion
condeming the people of those countries to a fate worse than if we simply
wiped those countries off the map. Of course I realize that you think I am
a “looney” for beliveing that a slave’s exsistence is worse than death and
that nuking a country is better than allowing its people to suffer a
dictator’s rule.
-Mike Petrucelli
P.S. Trivia question: How many Veitnamese civilians were slaughtered by
the Viet-Cong within the 2 weeks after US troops withdrew from the country
at the end of the Vietnam War?
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Over 1,000,000 were slaughtered by the Viet-Cong within the two weeks after
the US left. The point being is that something similar is what would happen
if we were to leave Iraq now as some liberal extremists have already
suggested.
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I have no idea. Is it more than the >3,000,000 killed by
Washington in S Vietnam/SE Asia? Care to estimate how many of them were
civilians?
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This is right-wing claptrap. I have yet to hear a coherent argument for Iraq
being abandoned. The right overstate calls for abandonment and talk like it
is the only alternative to the current mess because they can’t justify
themselves.
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By 1965 the Washington’s (The Pentagon Papers) stated aims in Vietnam were:
- 70% Avoid defeat
- 20% Keep S Vietnam out of China’s hands
- 10% Help the people of S Vietnam “enjoy a better, freer way of life”.
Don’t be fooled, the Vietnam war was not about “freedom”.
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Well no kidding if it was about freedom we would have agreed to Ho Chi
Mhin’s (spelling?) request to kick the French out and help him build a
Republic based on the US constitution. Instead we figuratively flipped him
off and let him think our ideals were mere propaganda and caused him to
appeal to the soviets.
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Trivia Q for you:
S Vietnam’s elected leader was President Diem. Which superpower had him
killed when it looked like he’d opt for peace with N Vietnam?
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Hopefully ours, because more often than not, peace is simply a euphemism for
surrender. (and remember I think death is better than a slave’s existence.)
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Was his death the only altervative? What did the people of S Vietnam want;
were they even considered?
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Personally I don’t think the Delta Force assasination squads are used enough on
people willing to sell out freedom, so your not going to get anywhere with me on
this point.
-Mike Petrucelli
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