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(...) But if we are not outraged when atrocities occur, we are morally doomed. (...) How would it be unjust? Showing him the same mercy he showed seems just to me. The injustice is that there is a family whose lives have been completely shattered (...) (21 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well it should be pointed out that those are Old Testament books and while Christ never repudiated them he didn't exactly go around saying they were spot on as moral guides given the new relationship of god with man that was represented by the (...) (21 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Dude, I am imperfect and this is an imperfect world. Somehow, I believe he will come to full judgment for his actions, but probably not in this world. The closest thing I could think of to a fitting judgment here on earth would be to condemn (...) (21 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Maybe this one: "I will strew your flesh on the mountains, and fill the valleys with your carcass. I will drench the land with your flowing blood up to the mountains, and the watercourses will be filled with you." Eze 32:5-6 or this one: "Now (...) (21 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, I did start the post with " Which is probably why I shouldn't be allowed to get one... " See, when the emotions get involved, can one really make a rational decision where life is concerned. I don't know what's the right thing to do. If (...) (21 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) But, John, the death penalty is, so, well, final. What if there was a mistake? It does happen, you know. Even in these apparently close and shut cases, with "confessions" and neat surveilance videotapes and everything. What if the prison (...) (21 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Which part of the teachings of Christ are you reflecting...I can't seem to find that part. Chris (21 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Oh, you mean in the way that he was in and out of prison like spinning in a turnstyle? (...) Wrong. Stops him from ever doing it again. (...) What is it with you Liberals? What is there to understand? Evil is evil. Stop trying to understand it (...) (21 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Tradition would say that Scott was being sarcastic, but maybe he wasn't. Either he honestly wanted my opinion, or perhaps it was rhetorical but he felt there was a point to it. I already placed my qualifier ("for the most part") but, yes, my (...) (21 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hmmmm, I'm not sure where you are going with that analogy. Tom Cruise remains Tom Cruise whatever I do, the Queen is your Queen because you subject yourself to her. (...) Aha! You admit that the UK does not live up to its propaganda! You (...) (21 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You are such a troll! Why not ask Tiger Woods or Michael Jordan or any of the other 1,000s of black millionaires your question. Shesh. (...) Ubertroll take off! JOHN (21 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote: (snipped quotations) What I thought: nowhere did he ever use the term "imminent". (...) The meaning of your non-sequitur eludes me. What Bush wanted was Saddam Hussein removed from power, period. (...) (...) (21 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yeah; we have our Queen, you have Tom Cruise (etc). ;) (...) I support the UK monarchy... but I tend not to read the tabloids. ;) (...) You are stealing my point! (...) Even if one is black? (...) They must have been the Schlickbernd's of (...) (21 years ago, 7-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Does the propaganda live up to reality for everyone in the USA? Scott A (21 years ago, 7-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It could be worse - we could have idiot royalty. Now that would really be lame. But then again, their antics can be amusing. To be less silly, what country lives up to its propaganda? Is the U.S. the land of the free and the home of the brave, (...) (21 years ago, 7-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Does the propaganda live up to reality in the USA? Scott A (21 years ago, 7-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is sarcasm, right? "we pretend to work, and the state pretends to pay us" ... that sort of thing? Presumably workers don't flee a workers "paradise" unless the quotation marks are there for a reason. (remember, I'm biased... both my (...) (21 years ago, 7-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I’d suggest you let justice take its course; it may transpire that this guy was/is unstable in some way. Even if he does turn out to be 100% ‘evil’, killing him after the event will accomplish nothing. Understanding "why" would accomplish (...) (21 years ago, 7-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I hear healthcare is better than many Americans have too. Perhaps if Bush lifted sanctions it'd be even better. Without sanctions, Castro would be history by now. Scott A (...) (21 years ago, 7-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Talking of which.... (URL) Hitler's debt to America:> "One such agitator was a disgruntled corporal in the German army. In 1924, he was serving time in prison for mob action. While there, he spent his time poring over eugenic textbooks, which (...) (21 years ago, 7-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Not so. Many Cubans are happy with their lives in paradise. Two hours of work per day and 22 for free time in which to study for free for ever...doesn't sound totally bad to me. (Though I'd really want reliable power and a fat pipe.) Chris (21 years ago, 6-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, supposedly we get a promise from the government that they won't be mistreated if they get repatriated, and supposedly we "monitor compliance" with that. Wanna know what I think of THAT strategy, or the promises of THAT government? (...) (21 years ago, 6-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Won't something very bad happen to them when they get home? Doesn't Castro frown on folks leaving his country 'illegally'? If all the Cubans fled to the US, Castro would have no one to push around. I mean, shouldn't the US be welcoming every (...) (21 years ago, 6-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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and some USE them as boats. (URL) have any questions about my stand on whether these intrepid voyagers should be given asylum or not? PS, 1959 was a VERY good year for Buicks, by the way... (1) ++Lar 1 - although my Daddy was driving a 1957 Buick (...) (21 years ago, 6-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) c/ be no/ be almost no/ and we agree. I think there are a *few* honest politicians out there. Ron Paul for example... (URL) (a good read in and of itself) (21 years ago, 6-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) He shouldn't be in office in either case. And, no, we didn't elect him. If we get to stone every politician who lied, there would be no politicians - not that doesn't sound bad. :-) -->Bruce<-- (21 years ago, 6-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Which is probably why I shouldn't be allowed to get one... Seriously, I'd buy the bullet and pull the trigger. She was 11 years old. This guy, if shown that he did it (as all evidence points towards like surveillence tape and DNA all over his car (...) (21 years ago, 6-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) He should be! That's what I was saying. If he just screwed up, he should only be impeached. If he did it on purpose, his fate should be well worse. Chris (21 years ago, 6-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Followed a link from one of my fave comics ( (URL) (1) ) to this: (URL) article> anyone know what the heck this is about? What I mean is what's the root dispute? ++Lar 1 - yes, it's cheezy space opera with a layer of titillation... what's your (...) (21 years ago, 6-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I think you're just mellowing in your old age--we all get there :) We also pick and choose our battles, but knowing that our friends will be there when we feel like taking a break from the battles is a good thing. I'm there for ya, Larry. (...) (21 years ago, 6-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Um, why isn't this an impeachable offense? (I admit it, my wife dinged me for this... she pointed out that I was screaming for the head of Clinton because he was an admitted perjurer (over something relatively unimportant, but the principle of (...) (21 years ago, 6-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Perfectly agreed--SH's finagling and ousting inspectors and flaunting UN resolutions was a terrible thing. No one has ever stated that SH wasn't a tyrannical dictator with much blood on his hands. But at the time in question--from just before (...) (21 years ago, 6-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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By and large, I agree with DaveK's attack on our president. He lied to us and I believe, still, that he is a bad man. But that doesn't change the fact that Saddam Hussein is also a bad man. Really bad! I do believe that the world is a better place (...) (21 years ago, 6-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "The Iraqi regime ... possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons." -- George W. Bush "We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, (...) (21 years ago, 6-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I care! If he truly blew it, then he is merely unimaginably stupid. (Why was it obvious to lots of CIA analysts, reporters, and other nations around the world, and many of us that this whole thing was rigged, but not to our president?) And (...) (21 years ago, 6-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think I already summed up this same position some time ago right here: either Dubya lied, or he was incompetent. Either way, he led the country into a contrived war, spending billions of dollars, the lives of our troops, ruined our country's (...) (21 years ago, 6-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The rest of your fine post is fatally weakened by the above sentence. Troll through some Bush speeches and you'll find the claims, in plain daylight. Heck, take a look at the Powell speech to the UN just prior, they're there. (to find that (...) (21 years ago, 6-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The reason I asked is because I know for a fact that nobody ever claimed such. It was blown intelligence and everybody bought it (why wouldn't they? SH, the complete idiot, wanted everyone to believe he had them. Bet he never thought we'd (...) (21 years ago, 6-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Oh come on, John. You HAVE to admit the administration has been backpedaling from their previous claims, even if Dave hasn't provided specific cites from the various speeches. I mean, who has time? (21 years ago, 6-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote: "You're wrong--he has WoMD (...) Cites, please. Whom are you quoting? (...) Specific cites of quotations, please. (...) That's just you propping up a straw man. JOHN (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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